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AIBU to not understand the outrage over the government’s so-called Christmas party?
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OneRuleForThem · 07/12/2021 22:33

I feel like this is only an issue if people automatically followed guidelines like robots. We were “told” not to visit our own families over Christmas. Nobody tells me whether I can or can not visit my own family, so I did, and had a lovely and nice normal Christmas last year.

It seems people are up in arms over the fact that Downing Street allegedly (do I have to say allegedly?) had a Christmas party and flounced the “rules” without social distancing. My only reaction is…And? And so? So what? Did anyone expect the government NOT to do something like this? I don’t know why people are up in arms over it tbh. It’s not like this government is brand new to people and they didn’t have prior information that this government backtrack and “do as I say not as i do” ALL THE TIME.

I really don’t get why people are so outraged by this. My main reaction is…why did you listen to them in the first place expecting them to be some kind of moral leaders? AIBU?

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Am I being unreasonable?

AIBU

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Goofbawl · 13/12/2021 10:48

@MrsSkylerWhite very well put. Galling.

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HopefulHetty · 13/12/2021 10:45

That's a terrible thought.
Shocking.

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HannibalHayeski · 12/12/2021 23:23

More people were at the Christmas quiz than at the Foreign Office during the evacuation of Kabul...

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MrsSkylerWhite · 12/12/2021 23:10

potoforchids

People died alone in hospitals with no family around them due to laws brought in by the government. This includes children. That is extremely traumatic both for those who died and for those left behind. It may take years to come to terms with this for some people. They weren't being sheep, they physically weren't allowed in.

And then that very government has parties and laughs about breaking the rules? Disgusting.

It's not all about Christmas“


This. A father called a radio phone in this week and told listeners that his eight year old son had been admitted to ICU exactly when this “gathering” took place. Non Covid related but nonetheless neither he nor child’s mother had been allowed in with him. The child was there for over a week and his parents expected that “every day they were going to tell us that he had died”.

I can’t even begin to imagine the visceral pain of being told I could not be with one of our children in such circumstances. My husband was in ICU for weeks four years ago. Sitting by his side throughout was the hardest thing I’ve ever had to do. I was an abused child and I’ve recovered from cancer. Those situations were but nothing compared to watching a dearly loved one ostensibly dying.
Now - after miraculous recovery which his specialist still cannot explain - the idea that I could not have been there with him is unthinkable to me. Imagine that it was one of my children? beyond torture.
Anyone on this thread who doesn’t understand the anger about the behaviour of public servants on this thread needs to cast politics/allegiances aside and seriously think about that for a moment or two. Put yourself and your loved ones in that situation. One of the people you live most in the world is dying and officialdom tells you that you can’t be there with them. Then fucks off and has a party.

If you still feel the same way then, really, you’re inhuman.

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youvegottenminuteslynn · 12/12/2021 22:59

People aren't 'surprised' as such, they're disappointed and angry at yet another example of the current government's hypocrisy and lack of ability to read the room or empathise with the general public.

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OneRuleForThem · 12/12/2021 22:54

@Imdreamingofapeacefulxmas

I can't get exited about this. Yes it's bad form but it was their risk to take? It would be them and their loved ones becoming ill.
Millions of people would have also been breaking the rules in all sorts of ways and taking risks.
It's naughty, it's patronising, it's wrong but even st corybn had too many people at his dinner party at some point. I can't get exited about it.

This is similar to how I feel too. Why are people surprised by this? From this government?
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potoforchids · 12/12/2021 21:41

People died alone in hospitals with no family around them due to laws brought in by the government. This includes children. That is extremely traumatic both for those who died and for those left behind. It may take years to come to terms with this for some people. They weren't being sheep, they physically weren't allowed in.

And then that very government has parties and laughs about breaking the rules? Disgusting.

It's not all about Christmas.

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Imdreamingofapeacefulxmas · 12/12/2021 21:40

I can't get exited about this. Yes it's bad form but it was their risk to take? It would be them and their loved ones becoming ill.
Millions of people would have also been breaking the rules in all sorts of ways and taking risks.
It's naughty, it's patronising, it's wrong but even st corybn had too many people at his dinner party at some point. I can't get exited about it.

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coconuthead · 12/12/2021 21:27

@OneRuleForThem

Gosh sorry, I just can’t understand the reaction to this.

Deliberately goady or thick as mince you are. Or a combination of the two.

Pathetic.
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LunaMuffinTop · 12/12/2021 20:51

@youvegottenminuteslynn I agree with you completely.

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youvegottenminuteslynn · 12/12/2021 20:38

Bloody hell OP. Nobody is saying YOU as an individual definitely gave someone covid.

They're saying that people who behaved the way you behaved, not obeying the law at that time, contributed as a group of people to covid spreading more rapidly and widely than it would have done if everyone had obeyed the law.

The law was put in place to slow down the spread to protect the most vulnerable and stop the NHS from being overwhelmed. Every person who didn't obey that law increased the risk of the virus being spread further than it would have done if they obeyed the law. Those incremental individual choices add up when many people make them.

I'm giving up I think if you don't get that as it's really not complicated so it's either going over your head and you don't understand the concept of a virus, or you're being wilfully disingenuous and goady.

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LunaMuffinTop · 12/12/2021 20:38

YABU i’m really glad you had such a great Christmas but if I had ignored the rules at Christmas and gone to see my family I would’ve ended up with Covid and possibly ended up dying like my grandad and my uncle did in January that's why I like most people followed the rules and stayed away from my family.

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Walkaround · 12/12/2021 20:33

@OneRuleForThem - you may not mean to be saying that, but it is effectively what you said. No, it’s not remotely surprising what happened, but to argue you shouldn’t listen to them because they aren’t moral leaders really is saying you shouldn’t bother with morality if your leaders don’t bother with it. You chose to use the expression “moral leaders” and used your contempt of the leadership to justify ignoring the law.

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lightisnotwhite · 12/12/2021 20:33

@LetsHearIt

It was the law. And people were being FINED for breaking these 'rules' they set.

It was the law to the point that police were stopping people in the street. Including Sarah Everard, because the police were allowed to pull people over at that time just for bloody being outside.

And they were having a party.
An actual party.
This government is an utter disgrace and I have no idea why anyone votes for them.

But it wasn’t a bloody actual party was it? An actual party means loads of different people from different households getting an invite round yo somewhere.
The people that did that - invited other households to theirs, are getting fined. I would hope that any MP, policeman, other member of making/upholding law invited their friends to their house would also get fined.

Celebrating with those you’ve been working with all day is completely different. I’ve said that I hope that Tesco workers and care home staff aren’t feeling guilty for doing secret Santa and having drinks and cake after work.
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OneRuleForThem · 12/12/2021 20:23

@DeeCeeCherry

I see what you mean OP. The Tories have zero integrity. I bet lots of people who voted for them, knowing full well they lack moral fibre, are the ones moaning the most.

Its laughable they expected Boris & co to follow the law on this. I am not surprised at all they broke the rules, I mean why wouldn't they? Its been shown time and again Tories do as they please and arent held to account.

This will blow over

Yes, this is what I mean , I can’t understand the outrage. It is not surprising that this has happened (at least, not to either you or I??)
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OneRuleForThem · 12/12/2021 20:19

[quote Walkaround]@OneRuleForThem - basically, you are arguing that if your leadership is immoral, then you should be immoral, too. And you still don’t see a problem with that?[/quote]
No, I’m not saying this. I think people are finding it difficult to understand what I mean

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DeeCeeCherry · 12/12/2021 20:17

I see what you mean OP. The Tories have zero integrity. I bet lots of people who voted for them, knowing full well they lack moral fibre, are the ones moaning the most.

Its laughable they expected Boris & co to follow the law on this. I am not surprised at all they broke the rules, I mean why wouldn't they? Its been shown time and again Tories do as they please and arent held to account.

This will blow over

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Walkaround · 12/12/2021 20:08

@OneRuleForThem - basically, you are arguing that if your leadership is immoral, then you should be immoral, too. And you still don’t see a problem with that?

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Pumperthepumper · 12/12/2021 20:07

[quote OneRuleForThem]@Pumperthepumper
Do you understand why people did what they were told, and that it wasn’t because they were expecting moral leaders?

No[/quote]
It’s because they didn’t want to risk spreading covid to their relatives, and potentially killing them.

It’s really not that hard to understand.

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OneRuleForThem · 12/12/2021 20:03

@Pumperthepumper
Do you understand why people did what they were told, and that it wasn’t because they were expecting moral leaders?

No

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Pumperthepumper · 12/12/2021 20:01

@OneRuleForThem

no I don’t understand because all people are saying is a combination of:

I am not surprised that the govt did this (literally what I said in my OP)

People died/commemorated alone because of funeral, wedding, hospital, care homes restrictions (I have literally repeated I did not include those types of scenarios, just about visiting healthy family at Christmas)

That the government is laughing at us (yes, that’s what the thread is about)

I don’t understand why people seem to be disagreeing with me when I said the things they are saying.

But you also said this:

My main reaction is…why did you listen to them in the first place expecting them to be some kind of moral leaders?

And people have told you why. Do you understand why people did what they were told, and that it wasn’t because they were expecting moral leaders?
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OneRuleForThem · 12/12/2021 19:58

no I don’t understand because all people are saying is a combination of:

I am not surprised that the govt did this (literally what I said in my OP)

People died/commemorated alone because of funeral, wedding, hospital, care homes restrictions (I have literally repeated I did not include those types of scenarios, just about visiting healthy family at Christmas)

That the government is laughing at us (yes, that’s what the thread is about)

I don’t understand why people seem to be disagreeing with me when I said the things they are saying.

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LetsHearIt · 12/12/2021 19:52

It was the law. And people were being FINED for breaking these 'rules' they set.

It was the law to the point that police were stopping people in the street. Including Sarah Everard, because the police were allowed to pull people over at that time just for bloody being outside.

And they were having a party.
An actual party.
This government is an utter disgrace and I have no idea why anyone votes for them.

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caringcarer · 12/12/2021 19:48

My sister and bil did not visit his Mum at all over Xmas and she died a month later having spent last Xmas day alone. No wonder people are angry. I can't get worked up about Boris online quiz though. I don't see how that breaks rules as it was on Teams.

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jgw1 · 12/12/2021 19:44

@lightisnotwhite

I agree and I think that’s what peopke have been doing all along over this issue.

Why keep bring funerals and dying alone into it? Theirs nothing to say anyone at no.10 broke those rules. They are separate with separate risks.
You have no idea if people at the party lost loved ones themselves. No one is laughing at the public.

Everyone was restricting their lives. I’m pretty sure the normal no.10 party is a much grander affair then whatever happened last year. People who were working together getting together after work makes sod all difference to anything.

Does that apply to all workplaces?
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