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AIBU to think it’s rather sensible for young women to consider earning potential/ wealth when choosing a life partner?

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OompaLumpaLabrador · 20/10/2021 14:56

My mum always said that it doesn’t matter how wealthy or otherwise a man is, as long as you love each other. Which I guess is easy to say when, as a young nurse, you fell for a very decent and lovable surgeon ( my dad).

But I’m 43 now, and the life choices friends have made are all coming out in the wash. And the reality appears that those of us who opted to spend our lives with men and women with money have by far the better deal. There’s more freedom around healthcare, education, location, travel and work ( give up, part time, full time). The unpleasant and time consuming household chores are outsourced. There seems less stress in the partnerships because there are no money worries. The partnerships just seem easier. And if it doesn’t work out, a decent divorce settlement means women aren’t left high and dry.

Of course, love comes first. And maybe I’m getting cynical in my old age. But I’m not sure I’ll be giving my daughters quite the sake advice as my mum gave me. AIBU?

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bananamuffin89 · 11/03/2022 12:10

Absolutely earnings are important especially in this climate with rising prices etc. however, it is also important to weigh up the relationship, do you make each other happy, do you support each other, there are so many questions.
i do completely appreciate not struggling day to day though..

In regards to advising our children, i would absolutely advise them to grow, develop and support themselves before choosing their partner. who knows, the situation is different for everyone :)

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Animood · 23/10/2021 12:03

@JurgensCakeBaby

I think work ethic is the important thing, it doesn't matter if someone doesn't earn a fortune if they work hard and contribute to the family in all ways not just financially. Nothing to stop you bring the higher earner. It does matter if you hitch your wagon to a cocklodger who can't hold a job down and mooches off you. You're looking for a partner not a dependent. That's the advice I would give to a daughter, I will be giving the same advice to my son.

Agreed.

I think it's sensible to tell your daughter to avoid lazy layabout men.

An industrious man earning a wage of some description is ideal.
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Sofiegiraffe · 23/10/2021 11:35

[quote laurenGame]**@Sofiegiraffe* OP said most.*
What's the point of your post ?[/quote]

To contribute to the discussion, mostly.

What was the point of yours?

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laurenGame · 23/10/2021 09:06

@Sofiegiraffe OP said most.
What's the point of your post ?

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Mummadeze · 23/10/2021 07:57

Having been in a relationship where I have taken most of the financial burden for 15 years, I do sometimes resent that. However, if my partner was kind, loving, grateful and supportive I wouldn’t at all. My advice to my DD is to look for kindness and respect in her partner. That is what I want most for her and overrides their earning potential by a long way.

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LoveGrooveDanceParty · 23/10/2021 07:51

It’s pretty simple.

Encourage your daughter to aim high for her own self - to value education, and to want a meaningful career for herself.

And she will almost certainly end up with a man who feels the same way.

There is not much better than two educated people, partnering up and earning well, so that if the unforeseeable happens, either one can pick up the reins and carry on.

And if the unforeseeable doesn’t happen - you have two high earners and two high incomes.

Win - win.

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fussytodd · 23/10/2021 07:38

I think you're right.

Ideally my daughter would marry someone who has at least the same earning potential she has, not necessarily more and it's also important that his family will be financially in a similar position to her family.

That's what my parents thought me. First, make sure YOU can earn and be independent. Then make sure you find someone who can earn at least as much as you, so is educated etc. Then make sure his family is in a similar financial position to ours.

Then there won't be as many problems because of inequalities.

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Sofiegiraffe · 23/10/2021 07:24

Most people end up with someone about on their level.

Wealthy parents, private schools, big jobs, they're likely going to marry someone from a similar background.


Not necessarily. I grew up in poverty, lost my mum as a child so was raised only by my father who struggled to look after me and my siblings alone and work full time in a badly paid job, so growing up we were passed from pillar to post and I always wore hand me downs etc, and we went to a normal state school. Just about the least wealthy parent and average school experience you could imagine.

I now earn more than double what my partner does and well above the average. We don't all come from such backgrounds Wink

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Sofiegiraffe · 23/10/2021 07:15

@JurgensCakeBaby

Me neither. I'm the higher earner in our house and I intend to keep it that way Grin

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JurgensCakeBaby · 23/10/2021 07:14

I've never wanted or needed a man to pay my way

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Sofiegiraffe · 23/10/2021 07:14

No they should consider their OWN earning potential.

This, a million times! This is what I did, and this is how I'm raising my daughters.

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JurgensCakeBaby · 23/10/2021 07:12

I think work ethic is the important thing, it doesn't matter if someone doesn't earn a fortune if they work hard and contribute to the family in all ways not just financially. Nothing to stop you bring the higher earner. It does matter if you hitch your wagon to a cocklodger who can't hold a job down and mooches off you. You're looking for a partner not a dependent. That's the advice I would give to a daughter, I will be giving the same advice to my son.

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Flowerpowwer6 · 23/10/2021 06:01

@Chimley

Also wealthy parents and private school are not sure fire ways to high paying jobs.

MH issues can scupper even the most well set up individual and no one knows when those will strike.

I think some people have got carried away on this thread. There's gold digging and considering a partner who is finical stable there's nothing wrong with this.

MN is usually quick to shout where is the father when the mum needs CMS.

Mental health affects people from poorer backgrounds the worst
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Lightswitch123 · 23/10/2021 05:30

@TheYearOfSmallThings

YANBU.

I used to be all idealistic and I wish I had wised up sooner. It's not about marrying a millionaire, but a solid job, work ethic, salary and financial life plan are excellent attributes in a potential mate.

Agreed! YANBU OP
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laurenGame · 23/10/2021 05:26

@Chimley

Also wealthy parents and private school are not sure fire ways to high paying jobs.

MH issues can scupper even the most well set up individual and no one knows when those will strike.

But the probability is higher for those with wealthy parents, to secure a high paying job.

Nothing in this life is a guarantee but you can make some pretty good odds when you have connections, money, good education, and wealthy parents.

MH is awful but trying to get MH treatment with limited money so a lot harder compared to when you can afford top quality specialists.
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Chimley · 22/10/2021 23:09

Also wealthy parents and private school are not sure fire ways to high paying jobs.

MH issues can scupper even the most well set up individual and no one knows when those will strike.

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Animood · 22/10/2021 23:07

Thinking about it, there are two financial things that would be off putting.

1- if the guy were in debt (obv not including mortgage). For example credit card debt.

2- if he was long term unemployed that would put me off too.

But if he earned a wage and paid his way without debt - all good with me!

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Chimley · 22/10/2021 23:05

I earn my own money and don't rely on my DH to have a good life. YABU.

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Animood · 22/10/2021 22:57

I have a very high income for my age and location (north west) and I have a very steady profession. However, I live a modest lifestyle, drive a Citroen c1 and live in a small 2 bed flat. I therefore save and invest a lot.

I realise I am privileged, but income has never been a factor in choosing my partner, because I have more than enough myself.

When you're not chasing dollars, you are more open to finding a genuine connection with a caring man, rather than overlooking negative character traits for money.

Completely get this is not everyone's situation, but just thought I'd share.

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bellaiceberg · 22/10/2021 22:54

Interested in what you advise sons to do, choose a wealthy woman?

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RantyAunty · 22/10/2021 22:33

Most people end up with someone about on their level.

Wealthy parents, private schools, big jobs, they're likely going to marry someone from a similar background.

The other extreme of poverty, drug alcohol abuse, poorly educated, domestic violence, are likely to marry similar.

That said, I don't see much of a point for marriage.
It's not that beneficial to women.

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TractorAndHeadphones · 22/10/2021 22:22

@saf1ya7

DillonPanthersTexas - again, you sent to be talking about bullying men who force their wives to SAH against their will. But this has nothing to do with income. You read all the time on here about men who do manual jobs or low paid work and are total pigs.

Being a SAHM when you have no money worries and it doesn’t limit your life whatsoever, is a totally different proposition to being a SAHM to a man who is a low earner and you have to watch every penny or forego things.

It’s like anything else money buys choice. For some, that will be the choice that life is better when only one person is working. These women are hardly oppressed - blimey! They are educated and confident in who they are and know precisely where they stand and what they’re doing.

The more money you have, the higher your expectations become. If you can afford for your children to do all sorts of things, then this becomes your ‘norm’ and the SAHM will be able to facilitate this. Perhaps you can pay for your kids to get into top schools and the mums do a lot of educational support. Perhaps you go a lot of entertaining, simply because you can? Or you get involved with various charities? Basically your lifestyle shifts and having a SAHM just seems obvious and practical to the point it feels essential - especially where there are three or more DC. Why would high-earning men not want the best for their children and why would they want some random woman facilitating all this when it’s obvious the mum is the best person and she actively wants to be doing it? This is very normal in some circles. Having a SAHM is nothing to be remarked on and many families have nannies and other staff as well! I am a SAHM and remember when my kids were younger, loads of people were shocked I never had a live in nanny or au pair. Or a cook or a housekeeper! They said, ‘But why not, how do you COPE?” Grin Loads of men (neighbours and friends locally) told my husband to get me a nanny or a housekeeper as if there was something wrong with him. My neighbour had a woman in who did nights with the babies, even though she was a SAHM. I just never wanted some other woman in my house or involved with our 4 kids. It’s just something else to manage and it’s easier to do it myself.

Exactly.
I don't know why all the people here are going on 'well some rich men are pigs'. Some lower earning men are pigs.
And it's not like women go to a husband shop where they a choice of wonderful poor man or mean rich man.

The situation in which this is likely to occur is for example when pp was using dating apps - and chose whom to message based on their profession. In a situation like this going for luuuurve as OP's mother said is conventional wisdom but love itself is a complicated thing. Finances are a major reason for divorce and it's silly to pretend that this shouldn't be taken into consideration at all.
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TractorAndHeadphones · 22/10/2021 22:17

[quote worriedatthemoment]@TractorAndHeadphones no the oP mentions a partner that can support her dd being a sahm or working part time
Women want it equal but then don't as you have almost criticised a woman supporting a man and being the higher earner
Being with someone just because they have good earning potential doesn't make it all perfect has to be more and money as well , just more to fight over in a divorce
And many high earning men do need a sahm etc in order to facilitate their careers
Although not impossible its hard to have two high earning , long hrs , career driven people and have a family without hiring lots of outside help , and whilst for some thats fine for others they want more of a family/ work life balance
People should choose a partner who they respect and who respects them , have similar beliefs etc [/quote]
Reading comprehension my dear - the paragraph right after I said that stated that if a man was the perfect partner and is willing to manage the household then there's nothing wrong with a high earning woman supporting him. That is truly equal.

But SAHD/part-time men are rare and the mental load often still falls to the woman even though she is the high earner. So what value is he bringing to the household?

Also if you read the OP's posts properly she mentioned taking time out in case of any challenges. Such as having a disabled child. Again the low earner here could be man or woman, doesn't matter, as long as the low earner compensates.

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saf1ya7 · 22/10/2021 22:09

DillonPanthersTexas - again, you sent to be talking about bullying men who force their wives to SAH against their will. But this has nothing to do with income. You read all the time on here about men who do manual jobs or low paid work and are total pigs.

Being a SAHM when you have no money worries and it doesn’t limit your life whatsoever, is a totally different proposition to being a SAHM to a man who is a low earner and you have to watch every penny or forego things.

It’s like anything else money buys choice. For some, that will be the choice that life is better when only one person is working. These women are hardly oppressed - blimey! They are educated and confident in who they are and know precisely where they stand and what they’re doing.

The more money you have, the higher your expectations become. If you can afford for your children to do all sorts of things, then this becomes your ‘norm’ and the SAHM will be able to facilitate this. Perhaps you can pay for your kids to get into top schools and the mums do a lot of educational support. Perhaps you go a lot of entertaining, simply because you can? Or you get involved with various charities? Basically your lifestyle shifts and having a SAHM just seems obvious and practical to the point it feels essential - especially where there are three or more DC. Why would high-earning men not want the best for their children and why would they want some random woman facilitating all this when it’s obvious the mum is the best person and she actively wants to be doing it? This is very normal in some circles. Having a SAHM is nothing to be remarked on and many families have nannies and other staff as well! I am a SAHM and remember when my kids were younger, loads of people were shocked I never had a live in nanny or au pair. Or a cook or a housekeeper! They said, ‘But why not, how do you COPE?” Grin Loads of men (neighbours and friends locally) told my husband to get me a nanny or a housekeeper as if there was something wrong with him. My neighbour had a woman in who did nights with the babies, even though she was a SAHM. I just never wanted some other woman in my house or involved with our 4 kids. It’s just something else to manage and it’s easier to do it myself.

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DontWantTheRivalry · 22/10/2021 22:02

I met my now DH through online dating, and when I used to look at the adverts men put up I would always look at their profession and it would play a factor in whether I messaged them or not.

It certainly wasn’t about their financial status, but more about their life goals, their commitment to their future etc - I believe a man’s profession can sometimes say a lot about the kind of person they are.

It wasn’t that I was looking for a brain surgeon or anything like that, but I was looking for someone who had a good career and therefore likely to have ambition and good future prospects.

It isn’t a sexist thing though. I know a lot of men where a woman’s job/career plays a role in whether they choose to date them or not.

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