Child taken into care for being locked in the bedroom all night...
Raisensaretoddlercrack · 03/04/2017 20:31
Today this popped up on my news feed;
I imagine the child was already on the radar of social care, however it did panic me a bit because we have a lock on our DDs' bedroom door and it has made me reevaluate.
It's just a small slide bathroom door lock that we use instead of a baby gate to stop our 2 and 3 year old exploring after we have put them to bed. We thought it would be safer than a gate as if they could open the door they would mess about with it and risk getting fingers caught in the hinges. We still use a video monitor as they like to play for a while before going to sleep so they are still supervised. They have never asked us to leave the door open so it doesn't distress them in any way. For context, their bedtime routine is good and they are always happy to go to bed.
When we go to bed we open the door to their room so it is ajar and use a gate at the stop of the stairs in case of night time wandering. We leave our door ajar so they can come in to wake us in the morning with cuddles.
The lock is very flimsy and with a bit of pressure would open easily in event of a fire/emergency ect.
AIBU to lock them in their bedroom in the above circumstances or do I need to take it off? I'm doubting myself now! Thank you.
Pop24 · 04/07/2017 22:32
Jesus Christ just do what works for you. My 2 yo is in a cot which she can't get out of with her bedroom door (which she can't open) shut. It's no different. I've never given it a second thought tbh.
tearsinmyeyes · 04/07/2017 22:26
Don't lock them in of course
They shouldn't be playing for an hour - they should be tired enough to go to sleep
But there's hysteria when it comes to brits and bedtime . You must have a two hour bedtime routine involving baths and books or you are a bad parent apparently ( no wonder most of us are burnt out and exhausted and start threads on how much we miss our childless days and hate parenting ).
At that age, my three year old had clean pjs and a kiss goodnight while id stroke her hair and sing a song - took ten min. She didn't want a bedtime story every night and she showered after nursery.
My then two year old would lie down next to me as we co slept. There was honestly no faffing around .
My 1 year old feeds to sleep .
BeepBeepMOVE · 04/07/2017 22:15
Locked in a room with someone talking over a monitor!?
Sound like very many horror movies. Why would you do this to your children- so cold!
LouHotel · 04/07/2017 22:08
We bought our current house when we were childless but the previous owners had a toddler and there was a catch lock on the outside of the second bedroom. It freaked me out a bit.
However we now have a toddler and i realise the reason they had the catch is because the spindles on the stair case bannister are far apart enough for a baby/toddler to get through, if we cant get this fixed then the latch is going to have to stay. (but she's still in with us for the minute)
grandadblackrain1951 · 04/07/2017 21:58
Yes she was on SS radar as they had tried for 2.5 years to take her and used a bruise the size of the nail on my little finger as the excuse. The judge in the case Judge Hughes said she hoped social services had learnt their lesson but seriously doubted it. After the incident of the tiny bruise which we were in 4 different courts before 4 different judges before getting her back but this 2.5 year battle made my wife (normally a very strong character) so depressed she was on anti depressant tablets and also very paranoid she use to follow her around to pluck her off things before/in case she fell. So when her nan was ill and the six year old wanted to cook her chucky eggs (what her nan did her when she was ill) she was worried about the cooker which lit immediately you turned the knob (she had already taken to wandering around the house at night) so my wife ordered a new cooker express delivery and I locked my grand daughter in her bedroom as my wife was getting upset over the fact that she was also tired and grumpy at school for not getting enough sleep and had slapped a teacher on the arm and another child across the face and thought just our luck that the night before the cooker was to arrive she would try to cook the eggs and burn herself as again our grand daughter bought up the subject of cooking her nan some eggs to make her better (because they were making something together and wanted her nan well enough to finish it) - so she had been locked in her bedroom twice since she was a baby and the other time was because she sneaked out of the house after being put to bed whilst we were watching tv and it was too late to purchase a lock for the top of the door. So all you that said got to be more than what reported in the news papers - you have obviously never had any contact with them. To all of those people - I say try digging around on the net and you will find a few cases not many because if we talk about our case or experience then we could end up in jail as we are not allowed to divulge any information on our case.
grandadblackrain1951 · 30/05/2017 08:55
Your comment incensed me - "I promise there will be much more to it than that" you obviously do not know social services - We had a fight with social services for 2.5 years from the time she was born - so agree we were on their radar but a battle for 2.5 years and our crime was caring for her, loving her and looking after her and absolutely nothing else apart from not being approved by them. At one point we had her taken off us - and we were before 5 different judges and in five different courts in one week for a bruise on her face - she was examined by our GP then taken to hospital and examined xray'd and a report written stating the bruise to her face could not have occurred accidentally - this bruise didn't even occur in our care (not that we could prove that) so how big do you suppose this bruise was - fist size - NO the size of the nail on my little finger. After that we became paranoid - as knew were just bidding their time and looking for a reason to take her yet again - so by trying to protect her in case she fell off our granite work surfaces onto a solid concrete floor with granite tiles (as she was climbing onto work surfaces to get toaster out of cupboard to cook herself toast in the middle of the night - 3.00am as she was wandering round house and was tired and grumpy next day at school. I can prove everything I have said - you have no idea what losing our grand daughter feels like - I can no longer sleep at night as too much time to think about her.
Basecamp21 · 25/05/2017 18:25
My daughter is a firefighter and she says if all your doors are closed at night and you have a working smoke detector it is incredibly unlikely you will die in a house fire as your smoke detectors will give you enough warning and the doors will contain the fire long enough for you all to get out and raise the alarm.
Fire deaths happen when one of these is missed.
Small children tend to be the ones who die in fires because when scared they hide and firefighters cannot see well enough in smoke filled rooms to even see if it is a child's room never mind find the child.
If you really want to protect your child in a fire put bolts high up on wardrobes and make sure they cannot get under beds. Stair gates can hinder a firefighter for just as long as a bolted door.
But closing all doors at night and having functioning smoke detectors is all you really need.
DarthMaiden · 25/05/2017 18:09
Believeitornot · 25/05/2017 18:01
I didn't lock my dcs in their room. Why is this necessary unless there are additional needs?
Yes they left their rooms sometimes, but there comes a time when you can't lock them in and will have to get up and deal with them. If they woke early as toddlers and left the room, I got up with them. At bedtime I stayed with them til they slept - miles quicker than trying to get them to stay in bed.
Mine are 7&5. They can get themselves up in the morning and have done for a while. I let them play elsewhere without always knowing that they're doing. Yes I pop and check on them but I cannot watch them all the time. And don't want to - it's all part of letting them grow and be independent. At bedtime, I settle them down and leave the room and (as they request), check on them which helps them relax.
My dcs used to fall out of bed sometimes - I put something soft down so they didn't get hurt (one of mine moves around a lot in her sleep - usually because she's too hot. Naturally she's a warm person and needs much less in way of clothing). But I don't feel the need to watch her on video - she will call out if she needs me.
Anyway, at what point do you let go of the video monitors and locks etc?
grandadblackrain1951 · 25/05/2017 18:00
Gallavich - John Hemmings is the only ONE that is trying to get social services looked into. You are the one that is deluded - in another 30 years - they will be reporting what has gone on in the courts and social services like they have done with the nuns and priests especially in Ireland
grandadblackrain1951 · 25/05/2017 17:57
Gallavich - So you see social services as some child friendly fair organization you are so WRONG. That there is no smoke without fire? She was locked in her bedroom one night and that was because she sneaked down stairs after being put to bed and went out of the front door because she wanted to feed the next door neighbours water dragon with bugs and she was told too late its bed time but will take her tomorrow - and she is quite wilful and it was obvious we needed a lock on the top of the front door and too late to get one from hardware shop and next day she told school and school reported it to social services.
grandadblackrain1951 · 25/05/2017 17:47
Yes child was already on social services radar as they tried to take the baby at birth - as councils get money for adopting out children and they saw this as an opportunity as mom had drunken violent partner but he was an ex partner and she had moved on but that didn't stop them until it went to court - 2.5 year battle with them - judge said she hoped social services had learnt their lesson but doubted it and they are sore losers.
DontPullThatTubeOut · 05/04/2017 12:21
I use a video monitor to watch my little girl have her feeds on, it's better than sitting in her room for over an hour trying to be quiet while listening to her machine pump her milk. Never used monitors with my first but I'm thankful for them with my second as it lets me get on with cleaning etc while she's in bed.
NeedsAsockamnesty · 04/04/2017 16:55
How shit that someone may use a fairly mainstream bit of baby equipment for it's intended purpose.
Someone ought to call the papers
MiaowTheCat · 04/04/2017 16:53
Message withdrawn at poster's request.
Spring2016 · 04/04/2017 15:11
I keep imaging the room monitor being like this!
ForTheSakeOfFuck · 04/04/2017 12:44
I should add, he does that migrating-off-the-cliff thing in his sleep, as he's moving about, over the course of hours, so a single glance in on him at, say, 9pm or at my bedtime would tell me nothing about whether he's on a general trajectory towards another bust nose.
He does also do it at 3/4/5am and there's no help for it then, but obviously it just seems sensible to catch what you can.
ForTheSakeOfFuck · 04/04/2017 12:38
Vivienne I get that you think it's creepy, and you're certainly allowed to feel that way, but can I ask why? My DS(3) manages god knows how to squirm right down to the end of the bed and fall out. He's bust his nose a couple of times doing this. Bothered us more than him, to be fair, but Christ the amount of laundry it always seems to cause... Anyway, if I see that he's slowly migrating southwards, I head up, drag him back up to the top, and go back to what I'm doing. Why is it better for me to not know what he's up to, if he's safe, if the room is now too cold with the window ajar, etc.? Is it that you think it's parenting too much, or not enough?
Viviennemary · 04/04/2017 12:16
I still think it's Big Brother parenting. Is it something most people use to monitor their children all night long to make sure they haven't flung off a bedcover. Or speak to them. I still think it's remote control parenting and rather creepy.
Notso · 04/04/2017 12:11
Your whole set up seems a bit topsy turvy OP. I don't understand why you wouldn't let the children play downstairs or in their room properly supervised then do the bedtime routine ending with getting into bed to sleep. It seems pointless to do a whole relaxing routine then say now it's playtime.
My two who share a room play upstairs/downstairs/outside after dinner then it's ready for bed, stories, good night from me, they put a story CD on or look at books then go to sleep. No locks, monitors or stair gates. It's been like this from 2 and 1 when we moved them in together, any messing about, wandering etc is dealt with by us.
ForTheSakeOfFuck · 04/04/2017 12:08
To be clear, Vivienne, if your immediate reaction to someone using a video monitor is some sort of Daily Mail pearl-clutching that they must use it to do all their parenting and as a substitute for actual physical presence, then I strongly suspect you have no idea how plenty of people are actually using their monitors at all. It's an aid. An extra tool in the parenting box. A very handy pair of eyes round the corner, up the stairs, in the pitch dark. Not a substitute. Anyone using it to do their parenting is obviously doing it wrong but it's silly to paint every video monitor user with the same brush.
ForTheSakeOfFuck · 04/04/2017 12:05
Vivienne Indeed. Truly awful what technology does, these days, allowing parents to keep a watchful eye on their toddlers/children from a different part of the house, or indeed remotely, instead of having absolutely no clue what they're up to/if they're hurt/if they're still breathing etc. Of course, I could switch off the monitor, stick my head round the door once or twice before bed, and see my DS for barely seconds, and/or force him to scream down the stairs for me if he needs me, which I believe has been the general method for all the generations who didn't have this sort of tech to help them.
Alternatively, I could, as I do, have the video monitor on next to me as I work/watch TV/read/do laundry/whatever, glance at him every minute or so hundreds of times a night, go tug him back straight if he gets into a weird bunched up sleeping position, listen to any request he might make from the comfort of his own bed at a normal talking volume and respond to it that I'll be there in a minute (or not if it's a silly thing), keep an eye on the temperature/noise level in the room, monitor his breathing all night long, and otherwise be right there without disturbing him.
I mean, unless you're really suggesting that parents should be sitting in their children's bedrooms all night?
All those terrible things that video monitors enable me, medical professionals, caregivers, teachers, and others besides to do. What were we thinking.
Viviennemary · 04/04/2017 11:55
Supervision of children through a video monitor seems bizarre to me. Maybe I'm just not up to date with modern parenting. Maybe behaviour would improve if parents stopped this remote control method.
Gooseygoosey12345 · 04/04/2017 11:43
Honestly I would take the lock off but that's just my opinion. No doors have locks in my house except the bathroom but we don't actually lock that either, if the door is shut you don't go in. I never really understood baby gates on doors either, we just had one at the top of the stairs so they couldn't fall down if they wandered. Dd knew she was to stay in her room unless it was getting up for a wee or a bad dream. I guess it would be hard for anyone to change that once they're used to having a baby gate. Maybe I'm paranoid but I always worry about fires and them getting out (which is probably unreasonable) or choking and not being able to get help if I didn't hear.
thewavesofthesea · 04/04/2017 11:32
I did this; BUT only until he went to sleep. We opened the gate when we went to bed; so he could get to us if he needed to.
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