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About 'International Men's Day'
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ZoeTurtle · 19/11/2015 08:45

I've just been informed by a colleague that it's International Men's Day. According to their website:

It is an occasion for men to celebrate their achievements and contributions, in particular their contributions to community, family, marriage, and child care while highlighting the discrimination against them.

AIBU to think this is MRA bollocks or is there a big problem of "discrimination against men" that we should be highlighting?

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SuburbanRhonda · 19/11/2015 12:26

Don’t take the piss. That’s discrimination.

You try telling that to Ross Geller Smile

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MilkTwoSugarsThanks · 19/11/2015 12:26

Yeah - but it was my fault the cat comments started!

Grin

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DamnBamboo · 19/11/2015 12:21

Sorry milk my comments weren't directed at your initial mention of it (in which you just stated facts)

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MilkTwoSugarsThanks · 19/11/2015 12:17

DamnBamboo - my original mention of cats a couple of posts in was to highlight the silliness of affording some kind of special snowflake status to IWD, not to belittle IMD.

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DamnBamboo · 19/11/2015 12:12

Yes vestal because they are all one homogenous group in terms of their attitudes and thoughts aren't they?

So gay or transgered men shouldn't bother to campaign then either becasue they are men?

It's also totally inappropriate for other groups to come in and say what they think is ok and what should and should not be highlighted, and at what times!

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VestalVirgin · 19/11/2015 12:08

Why would men need to draw attention to the fact that they are oppressing each other in patriarchy? I mean, what is the point? They could just stop doing it.
As for celebrating men's achievements ... that's already done on all days of the year.

Something more specific like "prostrate cancer awareness day" would certainly be more beneficial to men, and less insulting to women.

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Apathyisthenewblah · 19/11/2015 12:00

I'm not sure that it about raising awareness of men's achievements so much as issues men face, particularly around mental health.

Part of feminism to me is consciousness raising about equality. As pp said the patriarchy is problematic for men in terms of class, sexuality, health. Highlighting this does not damage the feminist cause, it furthers it.

So YABU I think.

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Sallyingforth · 19/11/2015 11:51

I'm very happy to celebrate men who do deserve praise, and there are many of them. I don't subscribe to the typical MN 'all men are shit' mantra.

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DamnBamboo · 19/11/2015 11:48

Just reverse the statements culture and direct them towards females and try to tell me that it wouldn't be considered misogynistic?

Comparing IWD with toilets and then starting to talk about cats and their behaviour instead.

You don't see the problem with this?

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DamnBamboo · 19/11/2015 11:46

I was asking a question otto about the bit I highlighted? That is clear surely? I

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CultureSucksDownWords · 19/11/2015 11:35

Is that hate? Or an opinion that you think is incorrect?

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howtorebuild · 19/11/2015 11:31

That's mn. On another thread someone apparently had polish in one hand and excrement in another.

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ottothedog · 19/11/2015 11:29

Why highlight the last part of my post DamnBamboo? Like I said, I don't have a problem with men organising campaigns to highlight ways the patriarchy oppresses them as well.

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DamnBamboo · 19/11/2015 11:28

Who gives a shit?

On that note, it is apparently International Toilet Day today, raising awareness of sanitation in developing countries


Here's another. Imagine if someone said that by way of comparison to IWD

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DamnBamboo · 19/11/2015 11:27

Saying that a male is not discriminated against just because he is a male.

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CultureSucksDownWords · 19/11/2015 11:25

Can someone please give a specific example of 'man-hate' that's been posted on this thread, or elsewhere if its rampant?

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DamnBamboo · 19/11/2015 11:23

By why (for example) can we not talk about women being raped without bleating about 'men get raped too you know!'. Saying one exists doesn't mean the other doesn't. But they can be spoken about separately

Of course they can. Who on earth says they can't? Confused

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specialsubject · 19/11/2015 11:17

so much man-hate on MN. Happy to shag them it seems, but that's it.

some people need to take a long hard look in the mirror.

hate doesn't solve anything.

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Drew64 · 19/11/2015 11:16

On March the 8th how would you all feel if all the men on MN posted similar comments.

AIBU to think this is MRA bollocks or is there a big problem of "discrimination against men" that we should be highlighting?

Surely to some male activists there is a big problem. It depends on who’s point you are viewing it from.

This has to be a spoof, surely?
I always thought that in return for International Women's Day, men got the other 364 days, or was I wrong about that?

Don’t take the piss. That’s discrimination. How would you feel if men span your comment the other way round. You would be insulted wouldn’t you?

Who gives a shit?
On that note, it is apparently International Toilet Day today, raising awareness of sanitation in developing countries.

Lot’s of men give a shit, but obviously not you. I shall remind you that I don’t give a shit on 8th March next year.

I think it's ridiculous. Just like the "why don't we have white history month" argument.
Men still have massive privilege in society and that is what needs highlighting not some supposed "discrimination".

Well it’s not ridiculous
To promote positive male role models
To celebrate men's positive contributions to society
To focus on men's health and well being
To highlight discrimination against men
To improve gender relations and promote gender equality
To create a safer, better world

The discrimination they face? Just for being male?
Hahaha... I don't think any of them are discriminated against because they are male.

The legal system and family courts can discriminate against men in regard to child custody and divorce.
Domestic violence
Education
Health
Military conscription

To name a few

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FeliciaJollygoodfellow · 19/11/2015 11:14

someonestolemynick

I'd love to see your sources for your assertions.

And sorry but 'modern feminists' do realise that male discrimination in certain areas doesn't take anything away from female discrimination in other areas.

By why (for example) can we not talk about women being raped without bleating about 'men get raped too you know!'. Saying one exists doesn't mean the other doesn't. But they can be spoken about separately.

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RonaldMcDonald · 19/11/2015 11:13

International Men's Day can be used really positively to highlight services that men know nothing about or don't avail of
I'm all for it

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CultureSucksDownWords · 19/11/2015 11:03

Is a lot of the focus of IMD aimed at understanding why the list of issues (as presented earlier in the thread) are not being addressed by men in positions of power/authority? Are men being discriminated and disadvantaged by other men?

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BeyondThirty · 19/11/2015 10:59

There is a thread in th mumsnetters with sn topic that has a lot of good links on it (there are a lot of mners diagnosed with asd/adhd as adults, probably at least one reading this now Grin - i'm halfway through the diagnostic process myself)

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BeyondThirty · 19/11/2015 10:55

I agree with IMD in theory btw (should i do a shout out here to my dh/sahd/carer? My mum and dh brought up by single dads? Wine to all the men in my life (and fruit shoots for my DSs) )

I just think mh stats presented in a particular way and viewed in a vacuum dont help the cause for mens mh. My correcting is not anti men, it is anti bias.

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