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Igotjelly · 02/10/2022 08:25
I’m quite surprised we don’t have more Russian conspiracy theorists frankly.
LilyPAnderson · 02/10/2022 02:51
How are people so sure we know all the facts when any news with an alternative opinion is banned? RT news has been banned from our screens.
I lived through times when our media edited out voices of Irish republican politicians, to only hear one side, so our government could keep putting our lives in danger and making everybody hate us for reasons only a few rich people will gain from, while making no attempt at a peace plan. Most people have no memory of politics than the last Tory propaganda headline they read.
I always knew most people are dumbed down from how so many people care about what over hyped and talentless celebs are doing. I knew the international bankers who run the USA and Britain had been trying to start a war against Russia for decades, with the hypocritical media information, because Putin and Russia Today news are only ones who remind our own people of how the USA and Britain sell arms to backward nations like Saudi Arabia, where women and other religions don't have full human rights. While we fund extremists to overthrow leaders like Assad in Syria, one of the few middle east nations with many religions that live together in peace, with ancient Christian communities who still speak Aramaic, the language from the time of Jesus.
Our media kept saying how Russia was evil because some of their states said there shouldn't be promotion of homosexuality to children. When the law against promotion of homosexuality to anybody in Britain was more severe. Section 28 of the Local Government Act 1988 in Britain stated that a local authority "shall not intentionally promote homosexuality or publish material with the intention of promoting homosexuality" or "promote the teaching in any maintained school of the acceptability of homosexuality as a pretended family relationship". Which was only repealed in 2003.
Also the Guardian newspaper has a lot of anti Putin, Russian journalists. You only have to see how easily led most people are from all the dumb British people who said they wanted to leave the EU as wanted less people here from Pakistan, as the media and politicians like Farage didn't bother to explain to them that the EU means Europe, and made them think it was about immigration from elsewhere, or about asylum.
It's only since the Ukraine crisis that it has hit me like a bolt at how dumbed down Britain is. People chanting Ukraine and flying Ukraine flags, while not questioning why any media with another point of view is banned, or why there's a promotion of punishing other Russian people who aren't connected to the government. I'm finding it really disturbing. That would be called racism in any other situation.
All most people remember about politics is the last tabloid propaganda headline they read. Who even knows we're more in danger from our own government's actions from making us a USA lapdog? Who remembers when the secret service whistle blower David Shayler told how Tories were using British money to fund Al Qaeda in Libya against Gaddafi? When British people were shot in Tunisia and blown up in Manchester by extremists who trained in Libya after Gaddafi was killed, what media reminded our people that our government helped cause that?
Who remembers Afghanistan wasn't run by extremists before the USA armed and trained the religious extremists in Afghanistan against Russia in the 80s? Then the USA didn't care what was going on in Afghanistan for years before 9/11, such as stories about ancient Buddhist statues being blown up and females banned from education.
MissConductUS · 02/10/2022 01:20
I did not correct someone for something they misread. If you checked, I said the coping narrative is that the RuAF is failing miserably because they make out they’re literally fighting all NATO.
I don't know if Ijsbear misread you or was admonishing the silliness of the Russian copium. In any case, that propaganda won't hold water, even within Russia. Let's all take a moment to be thankful for this feat of arms on the part of the UAF
I quite agree that Putin has left Russia defenseless. That's something that could motivate a military coup. The one thing that strikes real fear in a professional military is an incompetent commander in chief who puts the nation at risk.
Some of the equipment the Ukrainians have gotten is prior generation, but not all. A lot is top of the range and current.
blueshoes · 02/10/2022 00:51
@Liebig am I quoting you properly? Gosh, you are arrogant.
Liebig · 02/10/2022 00:33
Firstly, learn to quote the person properly. If I hadn’t checked back in, I’d not have seen this.
Secondly, reread my actual post.
Ijsbear · 02/10/2022 00:31
... No.
you're wrong.
They are not fighting NATO en masse.
Very, very, far from it.
Liebig · 02/10/2022 00:33
Firstly, learn to quote the person properly. If I hadn’t checked back in, I’d not have seen this.
Secondly, reread my actual post.
Ijsbear · 02/10/2022 00:31
... No.
you're wrong.
They are not fighting NATO en masse.
Very, very, far from it.
Ijsbear · 02/10/2022 00:31
... No.
you're wrong.
They are not fighting NATO en masse.
Very, very, far from it.
notimagain · 01/10/2022 22:36
However, some of those Russian forces clearly did fight their way through, because they lived to repeat the “Ukrainian drug zombies” story after retreating all the way back to Valuyki, across the Russian border.
That's a tale that's going to grow in the telling.....there's no way many of the Russians are going to run for the hills and then fess up to onlookers/reporters that they they had their backsides handed to them on a plate by better equipped, better led and massively better motivated troops.
Hence these stories, which will become folklore, about being beaten by something or somebody with super human powers....
TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 01/10/2022 22:44
That’s a very interesting and plausible take.
I had been wondering wtf was going on with the drug zombies description, other than the obvious difference in motivation and determination.
notimagain · 01/10/2022 22:36
However, some of those Russian forces clearly did fight their way through, because they lived to repeat the “Ukrainian drug zombies” story after retreating all the way back to Valuyki, across the Russian border.
That's a tale that's going to grow in the telling.....there's no way many of the Russians are going to run for the hills and then fess up to onlookers/reporters that they they had their backsides handed to them on a plate by better equipped, better led and massively better motivated troops.
Hence these stories, which will become folklore, about being beaten by something or somebody with super human powers....
notimagain · 01/10/2022 22:36
However, some of those Russian forces clearly did fight their way through, because they lived to repeat the “Ukrainian drug zombies” story after retreating all the way back to Valuyki, across the Russian border.
That's a tale that's going to grow in the telling.....there's no way many of the Russians are going to run for the hills and then fess up to onlookers/reporters that they they had their backsides handed to them on a plate by better equipped, better led and massively better motivated troops.
Hence these stories, which will become folklore, about being beaten by something or somebody with super human powers....
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