I made a mistake of going into Lush and trying to buy...

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Underthestairsbears Thu 14-Oct-21 14:18:19

Something for a guy...!!!

I just popped into my local Lush, they used to have a 'bloke section' so I kept wandering around looking for it...
Of course one of the helpful assistants came over and asked if she could help.
I said "oh I can't find your bloke section "

Poor young woman looked rather pale and launched into her "oh we don't have a men's section. It's all inclusive "
Lovely, so I asked where I might find something that might appeal to a teenage boy.

The only thing she could point me towards was a "beard cream" and I explained he didn't have a beard!

She then dragged another more senior young lady over... who then started on and on about being inclusive and how everything in LUSH us for everyone....it as I tried to escape....!

I tried to see if they had gift sets that might appeal to him....

Ok, it didn't need to be masculine per se but honestly it's like they've eradicated men from LUSH...

I'm not sure if that's the look they were going for...and also isn't it usually the other way round 🙄

Couldn't make head nor tail of it but I didn't escape easily.... literally had to hot foot it out of there quickly to avoid another encounter!

Does anyone else find it's getting harder to shop efficiently for what you want because things have to be so woke...

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DameMaureen Fri 15-Oct-21 20:16:38

midgedude

But we can never know if that's nature or nurture and unless it's pretty universal, then labelling them as spice or sweet is better than labelling them msn and woman

Perhaps the staff need training to be able to say "well teenage boys often prefer this type "

Ask Robert Winston about that !

midgedude Fri 15-Oct-21 16:41:09

But we can never know if that's nature or nurture and unless it's pretty universal, then labelling them as spice or sweet is better than labelling them msn and woman

Perhaps the staff need training to be able to say "well teenage boys often prefer this type "

Lovemusic33 Fri 15-Oct-21 16:17:51

I’m sure there was something on tv a couple years back where they tested what fragrances men and women were drawn too and men are drawn to less floral fragrances, women are drawn to sweet smells and floral smells.

Lush have a alien bubble bar that looks fab, they do quite a few aimed at kids too (robot bath bomb etc..).

Marguerite2000 Fri 15-Oct-21 14:02:20

There are plenty of toiletries that are acceptable to both men and women, this is just another area that's been commercialised to the max, like baby clothes and children's toys.

MedusasBadHairDay Fri 15-Oct-21 13:57:00

lazylinguist

*whether those would map out as floral vs spice without cultural influences I don't know*

Seems pretty unlikely to me. I have no problem recognising and accepting actual scientific differences between the sexes. I just don't believe for one moment that a preference for certain types of fragrance is one of them.

Seems a little unlikely. I'm sure someone will come up with something about how it's a product of evolution related to our cavemen ancestors absolutely needing to be attracted to the smell of Lynx Africa

ginghamstarfish Fri 15-Oct-21 13:29:05

What nonsense. Of course some people clearly do want products for men/women, just look at any supermarket display of deodorants, shower gel, moisturizer etc. Same with clothes shoes - how many would go to an 'inclusive' shop for those? Lush are idiots and I would never shop with them.

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WomaninBoots Fri 15-Oct-21 13:25:52

It's an area where there will be huge overlap (good food smells good to everyone) but I would also completely expect some on average differences in preferences. Rooted in the processes of finding a mate for a start. Possibly extending to seeking out different nutrients to support different bodies. Possibly the female is more sensitive to 'off' food so she doesn't feed it to her more susceptible offspring for whom she is the primary care giver...

I think it is a plausible hypothesis.

Tell me why men and women would have olfaction that functions exactly the same.

KimikosNightmare Fri 15-Oct-21 13:11:54

lazylinguist

*whether those would map out as floral vs spice without cultural influences I don't know*

Seems pretty unlikely to me. I have no problem recognising and accepting actual scientific differences between the sexes. I just don't believe for one moment that a preference for certain types of fragrance is one of them.

I don't either.

KimikosNightmare Fri 15-Oct-21 13:11:13

WomaninBoots

Oh FFS this is standard knowledge that makes perfect evolutionary sense.
www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fpsyg.2019.00242/full
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6381007/
www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/gbb.12618&ved=2ahUKEwjZo4_Lj8zzAhVRRkEAHZvwCBEQFnoECA8QAQ&usg=AOvVaw1hULiXd58Z-qUv7e4J0aI0

Three plucked randomly from a huge fucking list on a Google search.

We discussed this in class when I was doing biology GCSE over twenty years ago.

In general.
On average.

Why do people have such trouble with admitting sex differences? Sex differences are not sexism. Assigning higher value to male traits is sexism.

However, some studies involving large samples of participants suggested that smell detection ability (Kern et al., 2014) or olfactory identification (Sorokowska et al., 2015b) are similar between the sexes

From one of your sources.

lazylinguist Fri 15-Oct-21 12:23:10

whether those would map out as floral vs spice without cultural influences I don't know

Seems pretty unlikely to me. I have no problem recognising and accepting actual scientific differences between the sexes. I just don't believe for one moment that a preference for certain types of fragrance is one of them.

bringincrazyback Fri 15-Oct-21 11:48:47

C8H10N4O2

I won't enter or buy from Lush. Multiple reasons:

- harassment of everyone but in particular neuroatypical people
- plastering their crap on people without asking, including a child with eczema whose mother had explicitly told them not to slap the cream on her child's arm
- misogyny central - just look at their advertising
- coercive treatment of staff, many of whom are uncomfortable with the heavy duty sales pitches and being told to strip off in the shop but can't afford to walk out of a job

All of this. I mean, why on earth do they think people want this kind of so-called customer experience? I suspect the general philosophy is 'We don't care if customers are happy with the things they buy, we just hassle them to the point where they'll grab the first thing they see just to get out of there.'

And does anyone actually want to see sales assistants' naked arses and legs? I really doubt it.

ErrolTheDragon Fri 15-Oct-21 11:43:35

PandaParty

*Any evidence for this sweeping statement that male and female noses work differently?*

If you actually want someone to go to the trouble of looking up research and citing it for you, maybe request it in a less sneery way?


The plos-one link I posted upthread shows some evidence of observable differences between the sexes (in the brain, not the nose itself) though that doesn't mean they work differently.

WomaninBoots Fri 15-Oct-21 10:45:54

Oh FFS this is standard knowledge that makes perfect evolutionary sense.
www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fpsyg.2019.00242/full
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6381007/
www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/gbb.12618&ved=2ahUKEwjZo4_Lj8zzAhVRRkEAHZvwCBEQFnoECA8QAQ&usg=AOvVaw1hULiXd58Z-qUv7e4J0aI0

Three plucked randomly from a huge fucking list on a Google search.

We discussed this in class when I was doing biology GCSE over twenty years ago.

In general.
On average.

Why do people have such trouble with admitting sex differences? Sex differences are not sexism. Assigning higher value to male traits is sexism.

PandaParty Fri 15-Oct-21 10:14:12

Any evidence for this sweeping statement that male and female noses work differently?

If you actually want someone to go to the trouble of looking up research and citing it for you, maybe request it in a less sneery way?

KimikosNightmare Fri 15-Oct-21 10:06:11

WomaninBoots

Men and women have different olfactory processing, midgedude. It is fact. I'm not sure how it relates to floral vs spice but there is a biological root to men and women probably (in isolation from cultural pressures) having different preferences on average... whether those would map out as floral vs spice without cultural influences I don't know. Plus women have a more sensitive sense of smell on average. There's probably a literal sexual function at the root of it. And there's probably similar reasons why men might want to wear certain scents and women others.

Any evidence for this sweeping statement that male and female noses work differently?

WomaninBoots Fri 15-Oct-21 09:30:50

And at no point did I say anything about only men or only women ! Just about difference of preferences on an average basis.

WomaninBoots Fri 15-Oct-21 09:29:32

Men and women have different olfactory processing, midgedude. It is fact. I'm not sure how it relates to floral vs spice but there is a biological root to men and women probably (in isolation from cultural pressures) having different preferences on average... whether those would map out as floral vs spice without cultural influences I don't know. Plus women have a more sensitive sense of smell on average. There's probably a literal sexual function at the root of it. And there's probably similar reasons why men might want to wear certain scents and women others.

midgedude Fri 15-Oct-21 09:16:34

Did I miss something? Are there biological reasons why only men should like spice and only women like floral ?

I think we need to keep the terms men and women but only where it really makes sense biologically

In this case it seems some people want to make it easy to rely on stereotypes

KittenKong Fri 15-Oct-21 09:10:17

I anyone answers such a question with the word ‘inclusive’ i will say ‘I’m going to have to stop you there...’ and walk away. Life it too short. If they can’t answer the question without giving me a lecture, I’m out.

PurBal Fri 15-Oct-21 09:04:11

Yeah… the conversation should have gone:
We don’t have a men’s section, it’s all inclusive?
You used to, have the products been discontinued or repackaged? If the latter please can you show me them!
Of course

KirstenBlest Fri 15-Oct-21 09:00:16

And the kitchen and cleaning products - usually pink as housework is just for girls, isn't it

KirstenBlest Fri 15-Oct-21 08:59:17

Yes to this. I wish i could find nice men's jeans to fit, i want proper pockets

Me too. Looking at you Levi's. Great jeans with shit pockets

Brefugee Fri 15-Oct-21 08:55:45

There's a balance. Overly gendering stuff or making assumptions about what women's things should be like based on stereotypes is annoying but it also makes sense to acknowledge sex-differences even if those differences are average differences rather than set in stone ones.

Yes to this. I wish i could find nice men's jeans to fit, i want proper pockets.

ScreamingMeMesaur Fri 15-Oct-21 08:25:47

YY, WomaninBoots

WomaninBoots Fri 15-Oct-21 08:06:40

I think it is fine to acknowledge in some way that there are scents and products that are likely to appeal differently to the different sexes on average ... as long as a man who likes floral or a woman who likes sandlewood do not then believe that they are the opposite sex because of it! It is fine to organise the products in a shop along those lines too. You could have a focused men's area for the beard cream type products and next to that an area with the products more likely to appeal to men. There's going to be some divergence in scents that appeal across the sexes for sound biological reality reasons, our olfactory systems are different!

I know men and women's feet are different. I don't know about children. Children's shoes should fit well and be robust for both sexes though.

I don't mind things like clothes and shoes being sex-specific... we are different shapes! BUT women's and girls clothes and shoes not being robust and warm and as practical as menswear is a massive bugbear. I buy mens clothes as a result, fortunately for me I am tall so that works.

There's a balance. Overly gendering stuff or making assumptions about what women's things should be like based on stereotypes is annoying but it also makes sense to acknowledge sex-differences even if those differences are average differences rather than set in stone ones. The problem is of course that the market seems to constantly drive the stereotypes in after the acknowledgement of difference.

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