Why single sex spaces

(236 Posts)
DorsVenabili Wed 13-Oct-21 23:11:36

the debate about single sex space re trans rights has made me question the basis for single sex spaces in general (and not just in this context) - more philosophically. There doesn't seem much discussion in the various acts as to why they are needed.
I think my question is what do we feel more comfortable being naked in front of people of the same sex- is this nature or nurture/society. I don't think its to do with sexuality as a woman ( and as a girl)- i don't feel more comfortable with homosexual men than I would with lesbians

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Angrysaurus Wed 13-Oct-21 23:19:48

Women commit less than 1% of sexual crimes.

CiaoForDiNiaoSaur Wed 13-Oct-21 23:23:59

I've never been raped by a woman. Or sexually assaulted (I'm aware women can't rape in UK law)
I've been raped and sexually assaulted by men.

if a woman tried to attack me I'd stand a good chance of fighting her off as we would most likely be a similar size.
A man? Not so much. He's likely to be bigger and stronger than me.

And I think there is an element of nurture. We've largely grown up in a world with sex segregated spaces so we've been taught that's 'normal'

OhHolyJesus Wed 13-Oct-21 23:26:06

For the historical perspective from a broadcaster that occasionally knows what a woman is.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-41999792

yourhairiswinterfire Wed 13-Oct-21 23:27:54

www.independent.co.uk/life-style/women/sexual-assault-unisex-changing-rooms-sunday-times-women-risk-a8519086.html

yourhairiswinterfire Wed 13-Oct-21 23:35:30

Sorry, accidentally posted too soon, didn't mean to just dump a link!

I think my question is what do we feel more comfortable being naked in front of people of the same sex- is this nature or nurture/society

Women committing sex crimes is rare. And in the unlikely event a woman tried to sexually assault me in a changing room or wherever, I think I'd have a much better chance at fighting her off than I would if it was a man.

334bu Wed 13-Oct-21 23:41:16

Why? Easy answer , men and any person born male.

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Unreasonabubble Wed 13-Oct-21 23:42:52

OP but where would you be sharing your body with homosexual men or lesbians? Are you talking about changing rooms? I don't think I have ever seen an argument from homosexual men who want to share women's changing rooms or lesbians insisting that they use Men's changing rooms.

I think we are all much more comfortable, hidden in our little cubicles, with no one to view our bodies to be honest.

If I had to use a "unisex" changing room, I would be worried in case someone pulled open my curtain, tried to come in etc etc. Women just do not have the same strength as Men physically if a man wanted to force their attentions on them.

Hathertonhariden Wed 13-Oct-21 23:49:02

Victims of male violence and women of faith both need space away from men when in a state of undress. Failure to provide single sex spaces prevents these women from living a full life.

toomanytrees Wed 13-Oct-21 23:50:20

How does one tell the difference between a homosexual man and a straight man?

MrsTerryPratchett Wed 13-Oct-21 23:51:53

My DD at 10 finds single sex spaces a lot better and instinctually, I think, includes her lesbian BF in this. It's not about sex (shagging) it's about sex (female).

I mean for naked/biology functions. Periods, showering etc. she is happy to be around/talk about with girls but not boys.

Personally it's about safety. But privacy, dignity and community are also important.

NiceGerbil Wed 13-Oct-21 23:54:13

Huh?

Why is it positive to get people in general more comfortable with being naked in front of anyone?

Can you think of no reasons at all why single sex spaces exist? For men or women?

NiceGerbil Wed 13-Oct-21 23:55:44

OP what are your thoughts so far?

Made any sense/ prompted more questions?

Sorry to ask but so many posters never come back these days and it would be great to know you are going to stay involved!

MrsTerryPratchett Wed 13-Oct-21 23:58:20

NiceGerbil

Huh?

Why is it positive to get people in general more comfortable with being naked in front of anyone?

Can you think of no reasons at all why single sex spaces exist? For men or women?


Honestly, the countries this happens are the countries with lower sexual offences (Scandi and Iceland).

I'm not comfortable getting more naked with more men in the misogynistic world I live in. No saunas with men thanks!

Cascascascas Thu 14-Oct-21 00:09:02

@334bu

Wow you have a lot of bias.
Seek help
I can feel the anger In
Your statement

I hope you haven’t been hurt but I suggest consider counselling.

Wtfdoipick Thu 14-Oct-21 00:13:44

If I was attacked by a woman I'd have more chance of fighting back but the clincher for me is i can't be impregnated by a woman. I do not want to be naked/semi naked around strange men

PickAChew Thu 14-Oct-21 00:17:31

Cascascascas

*@334bu*

Wow you have a lot of bias.
Seek help
I can feel the anger In
Your statement

I hope you haven’t been hurt but I suggest consider counselling.

What for?

NiceGerbil Thu 14-Oct-21 00:23:18

Terry I'm not sure.

Stats are v dodgy on sex offences. Yes different countries definitely have different levels. I'm not sure that it's at all rosy in some though. And if so I doubt mixed sex naked is a reason for less assaults, but a consequence iyswim.

Also and no I don't know everything so interested to hear any other countries! Love getting new info!

The ones I know-

Austria. In general social standards are vocally policed by the general population.

Eg
In a restaurant a woman in a couple got drunk. Quietly at table. When stood up she could barely stand) walk.
Atmosphere went v cold. Everyone watching disapprovingly. As her OH helped her out, woman stood up and did loud denunciation of her behaviour as she went past. No one batted an eyelid.

Just an example.

Yes mixed sauna. However. I have no doubt that toe out of line would be immediately reacted to by all in vicinity.

Finland. Sauna huge cultural big deal. I know many have at home. And mixed sex = mum dad kids granny uncle etc. I know as my friend was girlfriend (now married) to a Finn. And the first bunch of times visiting. involved sharing family norms. Including naked sauna with boyfriend, his sister and brother, parents, an aunt and granny.

I think I looked at public sauna and there are norms etc... To do anything outside norm would be same sort of thing as going to church, mooning the congregation and throwing paint over the vicar. Iyswim. Just. Unimaginable.

NiceGerbil Thu 14-Oct-21 00:25:48

Come on OP!

Let's hear your thoughts!?

Never coming back is really annoying.

Esp in threads in feminism which attract posters who are on a mission to stamp out 'misandry'...

Cascascascas Thu 14-Oct-21 05:59:56

@PickAChew

Not for but against trans women

Theeyeballsinthesky Thu 14-Oct-21 06:04:46

TW are men otherwise what are they transitioning from?

But you know this

EdgeOfACoin Thu 14-Oct-21 06:06:05

Last time I was in Iceland, there were separate naked showers for men and women.

Maybe friends and family are happy to get naked in saunas and lagoons together but there were definitely sex-segregated spaces where I visited. Also separate male and female toilets in Sweden. I'm always bemused by these tales of Scandinavian unisex utopias.

blessedbethechocolate Thu 14-Oct-21 06:14:19

Personally I would never get naked in front of anyone. I refuse to use changing rooms with no cubicles but that's just me.

If I didn't have such hang ups there is no way I would want to have share with men while getting dressed. It's very rare women commit sexual offences and that's why.

334bu Thu 14-Oct-21 07:09:03

**Cascascascas

@334bu

Wow you have a lot of bias.
Seek help
I can feel the anger In
Your statement

I hope you haven’t been hurt but I suggest consider counselling.**

No counselling needed. All that anyone needs in order to know the answer to the OP's question, is an ability to read crime statistics etc. , as they quite clearly show why women need female only spaces . However, if you have evidence that proves that male humans of all gender identities are not statistically dangerous to women, I would be delighted to read it.

334bu Thu 14-Oct-21 07:14:07

*Not for but against trans women*

?? Could you elaborate ?

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