Russell T Davies loses the plot

[Imnobody4]

So disappointed I so admire his work.
Apparently LGB Alliance is killing trans people by only having 3 letters. Don't know why he thinks this is clever instead of using just 3 letters he should try talking with with a radom set of consonants and 1 vowel.

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[LolaLouLou]

Was he around when John Barrowman was busy dropping his trousers? Or when Noel Clarke was harassing women?

[TrainedByDinosaurs]

Was he around when John Barrowman was busy dropping his trousers? Or when Noel Clarke was harassing women? yes he most definitely was but apparently saw nothing untoward happen www.theguardian.com/culture/2021/may/07/noel-clarke-accused-of-sexual-harassment-on-doctor-who-set

I thought ‘It’s a Sin’ was very good at portraying the impact of AIDS on the gay community and also very good at showing how for some men the only time a woman’s life has any relevance or interest to them is when that woman is providing a service to men.

[Hernameisdeborah]

Just seen this. So disappointing and fucking ignorant of him.

[RufustheBadgeringReindeer]

Oh god that was bad

And I honestly sympathise, a lot of what he said resonated with me and he is absolutely entitled to his opinions

But he made no sense towards the end…no one said you can only have three letters …at all

And yes absolutely lets have lots of letters, lets be inclusive in which case some smart alec is going to pop a H in for heterosexual

[Kit19]

oh look another another gay man with a completely superficial understanding of the issue throwing women and people who are same sex attracted under the bus

[WomaninBoots]

Way to engage with the real issue.

[NapoleonOzmolysis]

I thought ‘It’s a Sin’ was very good at portraying the impact of AIDS on the gay community and also very good at showing how for some men the only time a woman’s life has any relevance or interest to them is when that woman is providing a service to men

Ditto. Perfect example of women = service and/or support vehicle. Only existing to facilitate the lives of men.

[AnyOldPrion]

Depressing that he chose that moment to attack other gay and lesbian people, rather than accepting some of them have different opinions. I presume he showed lots of trans people caring for the sick and dying in “It’s a Sin”? That would reflect the new reality he’s embracing presumably.

[HowardNoir]

Excellent. 'It's a Sin' was amazing, and I'm glad he's aknowledging that harmful ideas against LGBTQ+ people are still around. Anyone who disagrees with Russell's speech should watch It's a Sin and realise they are just as bad as the bad characters in it who believed 'it' was a sin. Oh the irony of people not understanding that.

[AssassinatedBeauty]

@HowardNoir

Excellent. 'It's a Sin' was amazing, and I'm glad he's aknowledging that harmful ideas against LGBTQ+ people are still around. Anyone who disagrees with Russell's speech should watch It's a Sin and realise they are just as bad as the bad characters in it who believed 'it' was a sin. Oh the irony of people not understanding that.

I find these kinds of "arguments" so tedious these days. Anyone who disagrees with me is a bad bad person, just as bad as some other definitely bad person. It's like debating with a toddler.

[WomaninBoots]

Well the substance of his argument seems to be about the length of words.

[RainbowCrossing]

The end of It's a Sin showed us conclusively what a fucking massive misogynist bellend Russell is (it's the mum's fault all the kids died of AIDS apparently).

So I won't be listening to any words he expels from his arse on any subject or in any capacity any more.

[WinterTrees]

Wait... He chose to single out the LGB Alliance in his award acceptance speech (why??) and THAT was the best argument he could come up with??

An incomprehensible extended bad joke that included the assertion that people who exclude the T are ugly and lazy, and which came across uncomfortably like an offensive parody of a deaf person. And ended with that bonkers, illogical, nonsense hyperbole about killing.

None of it made the slightest bit of sense. What an absolute fool.

[WomaninBoots]

Yes. Bad bad people, just like the other bad people because I can't actually substantiate why you are bad in particular but you must be bad like the other bad people.

[nauticant]

He's saying the more letters the merrier, and if someone wants to be included then why be a bigot by excluding them.

I'll give him 3 letters: P and I and E.

[Theeyeballsinthesky]

It’s a sin was bloody brilliant

But I would say that the hateful org here is stonewall and it’s replacement of same sex attraction with same gender thereby redefining homosexuality

Russell knows damn well what a man is because he’s same sex attracted

[RainbowCrossing]

@HowardNoir

Excellent. 'It's a Sin' was amazing, and I'm glad he's aknowledging that harmful ideas against LGBTQ+ people are still around. Anyone who disagrees with Russell's speech should watch It's a Sin and realise they are just as bad as the bad characters in it who believed 'it' was a sin. Oh the irony of people not understanding that.

Is that irony? How is that irony?

As Ed Byrne said of Alanis Morrisette - the only ironic thing here is that you don't know what irony is.

[Theeyeballsinthesky]

I also assume he was ‘tired & emotional’

[AssassinatedBeauty]

[quote HowardNoir]@AssassinatedBeauty I just shared my opinion, that's what we do on mumsnet. Sorry you're wrong :)[/quote]

As I said, toddler-level thought processes. We are all sharing our opinions. Some opinions are more valid and reasoned than others.

[yourhairiswinterfire]

Ha, you're killing me Russell, I'm fucking dying of second hand embarrassment over here.

[NellWilsonsWhiteHair]

I thought It's A Sin was powerful and brilliant and also absolutely suggested RTD only sees women as support humans. Im glad it won something and at the same time I'm not even slightly surprised by his politics in this regard.

[Shedbuilder]

@HowardNoir

Excellent. 'It's a Sin' was amazing, and I'm glad he's aknowledging that harmful ideas against LGBTQ+ people are still around. Anyone who disagrees with Russell's speech should watch It's a Sin and realise they are just as bad as the bad characters in it who believed 'it' was a sin. Oh the irony of people not understanding that.

Howard, dear, some of us lesbians were there and helping out with meals and support for gay men with AIDS back in the late 80s/ early 90s.

Now I'm older and looking for similar support from gay men who recognise what lesbians are up against and I see that yet again it's entitled men expecting women to come to their aid and foolish foolish women doing as expected.

Russell T Davies is just another privileged white middle aged gay man who doesn't give a shit about women.

[StillWeRise]

yawn
do we have to explain this again?
yes, It's a Sin was great, and an accurate account of the time (including the sacrifices made by women)
loads of us feminists supported the struggles of LGB people- and what they were demanding was simply to have the same respect and rights as everyone else. No L/G/B people were asking for anything that impacted anyone else's rights.
Whereas now, we have people wanting to undermine the very basis of LGB identities and rights by saying sexuality and attraction resides in gender not sex. Really, RTD, plenty of other gay men get this, why can't you?

[LobsterNapkin]

He was very emotional, it seems like he said more than he had intended to.

I don't know that I think It's a Sin was his best work, maybe because he was so emotionally attached to it - sometimes that makes it much more difficult to write truthfully about a topic, in the sense that a story really has to be able to see things from many perspectives to work, or it tends to come across as polemic or a didactic exercise. It could explain the flat female characters.

But he's clearly out of his depth on this topic, I suspect he couldn't give even a very basic run-down of why people are concerned.