Netflix FIRES Employees Who stormed Meetings Over Dave Chappell Comedy Special

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Childrenofthestones Tue 12-Oct-21 19:30:10

youtu.be/Ud2YJ-8QRJI

Looks like things are heating up at Netflix over the Dave Chappell special. Good to see management refusing to cancel on demand and standing up to woke employees for once.

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TheCountessofFitzdotterel Tue 12-Oct-21 21:41:12

Apparently Sticks And Stones is their top (best rated and most watched iirc, also ‘stickiest’ though I am not quite sure what that means- most people who started, watching to the end?) comedy special of all time. So it is not that surprising.

ShagMeRiggins Tue 12-Oct-21 21:51:10

I read in the LA Times that the employees were suspended, not fired.

Not going to watch the video—mostly because it’s 11 minutes and I don’t know this guy. Has he anything important to say?

littlbrowndog Tue 12-Oct-21 21:55:25

No dull and he has a long advert on where to put his balls in special boxers

BraveBananaBadge Tue 12-Oct-21 22:35:05

The whole thing is just weird - from what I've read they basically stormed into an executive management meeting to kick off about this one issue. What did they think was going to happen?

As with so many things around this agenda, if people make an exception for this silly, unprofessional behaviour, where does it end? Could anyone crash in for a whine about their pet peeves?

TheCountessofFitzdotterel Tue 12-Oct-21 23:10:22

I think it’s a measure of how they’ve been pandered to.
And don’t forget most newspapers were reporting the calls to cancel Chapelle as if it was a perfectly reasonable thing that might well happen.

BraveBananaBadge Tue 12-Oct-21 23:28:23

From the Variety story on this:

In her tweets, Field writes, “Yesterday we launched another Chappelle special where he attacks the trans community, and the very validity of transness – all while trying to pit us against other marginalized groups. You’re going to hear a lot of talk about ‘offense.’ We are not offended.” 
Field went on to say of Chappelle, “our existence is ‘funny’ to him – and when we object to his harm, we’re ‘offended.'” She then listed numerous names of trans people, specifically highlighting trans women of color, killed in hate crimes.

All this stuff about Chappelle "attacking the very validity" of trans people, followed by a list of murdered trans people just sounds unhinged. Well, three people storming a meeting to kick off is unhinged.

While I want to be sympathetic to trans people who may well have valid criticisms of Chappelle, I've yet to hear one that rings true if you watched what he said.

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FeckTheMagicDragon Tue 12-Oct-21 23:50:09

I left Netflix over Cuties. I left Disney+ over Mandalorian dropping Gina Carano (who got piled on by TRAs after she put a jokey Beep/Bop/Boop as her pronouns). Might resubscribe over this. Just to watch him.

I make a point of supporting good, sensible shows, and take my money away if I really don’t agree with what the company is promoting. Will never shop in Lush or M&S again.

Cash and votes are where we will impact the big companies. 51% of the population have a lot of power in both of these areas.

PrincessNutella Wed 13-Oct-21 02:52:22

I enjoyed his special and I thought he had some worthwhile things to say. He is a comedian, so he also says some coarse, no-holds-barred rude things about other groups including women, but with a certain amount of irony. I think he makes some good points about the hypersensitivity and cultural appropriation of the trans community that will be heard by everyday people that they don't usually hear.

Shelddd Wed 13-Oct-21 03:06:11

I think they were just suspended unless it's change since then.

But ya of course come after execs with your woke crap and it's not going to end well for you. You can get away with it elsewhere.

If you watched the special you would know that part of the reason why Chappelle won't get cancelled is how he was smart to frame it. He went after trans activism not trans people first of all. He attacked the activism aspect which I think is what most people have a problem with and it's all the M to F trans activism that is so angry and wants to destroy the world. But on top of that he didn't frame it personally he said trans activists are trying to cancel black people, and that's why he won't get cancelled... He was smart to frame it that way, because Netflix might be okay with cancelling Chappelle but they absolutely don't want to be seen cancelling black people or black culture (rightfully so).

So good for him, he was incredibly smart in what he said and how he framed it.

ShagMeRiggins Wed 13-Oct-21 09:40:24

BraveBananaBadge

From the Variety story on this:

In her tweets, Field writes, “Yesterday we launched another Chappelle special where he attacks the trans community, and the very validity of transness – all while trying to pit us against other marginalized groups. You’re going to hear a lot of talk about ‘offense.’ We are not offended.” 
Field went on to say of Chappelle, “our existence is ‘funny’ to him – and when we object to his harm, we’re ‘offended.'” She then listed numerous names of trans people, specifically highlighting trans women of color, killed in hate crimes.

All this stuff about Chappelle "attacking the very validity" of trans people, followed by a list of murdered trans people just sounds unhinged. Well, three people storming a meeting to kick off is unhinged.

While I want to be sympathetic to trans people who may well have valid criticisms of Chappelle, I've yet to hear one that rings true if you watched what he said.

I read the tweets and thought the listing of black and Latin trans people murdered was quite moving, actually. It reminded me of Jess Philips reading the names of murdered women in parliament.

I then took the time to Google each name and was disturbed that of these deaths, very few seem to have been reported in the mainstream media. It was the LGBT outlets mostly. That’s pretty sad because it really does reinforce the idea that the world generally doesn’t care about trans deaths, especially the murdered people of colour.

Having said that, it occurs to me I could attempt the same with Jess Philips’ list to see how many of the murdered women were reported by MSM.

Mostly, I just don’t want people murdered. Violence is abhorrent in any form.

BraveBananaBadge Wed 13-Oct-21 13:27:30

I'll take a look at that in full, didn't mean to be flippant. It's the disingenuous blame game linking them to Chappelle and Netflix which doesn't sit right with me.

allmywhat Wed 13-Oct-21 14:13:18

I then took the time to Google each name and was disturbed that of these deaths, very few seem to have been reported in the mainstream media. It was the LGBT outlets mostly. That’s pretty sad because it really does reinforce the idea that the world generally doesn’t care about trans deaths

I don't think this holds. Very few violent deaths are reported in the mainstream media. And you are in the UK, based on your name? It's unusual for any random violent death in another country to be reported in UK media, even when that other country is the US, which gets a disproportionate amount of UK media attention.

My observation is that the death of a trans person is much more likely to get widespread media coverage than the death of a non-trans person, but obviously still most don't, there's a great deal of randomness and of course there's almost certainly a racial component to it as there is with the coverage of violent crimes against women.

I'm not sure if anyone has ever compiled statistics that would back up my observation, but for an example, look at all the media coverage that a male assault on a trans sex worker here in the UK garnered recently. How many non-fatal assaults on female sex workers get that kind of coverage?

kwiksavenofrillsusername Wed 13-Oct-21 14:19:04

I do wonder how people get these jobs with such high profile businesses when they can’t even raise their concerns in a professional way. It reminds me of when a bunch of Hachette employees got mad about them publishing JKR. Do they think the world is like Twitter and companies will just bend? I saw a lot of Hachette jobs being advertised in the months after that stunt.

timeisnotaline Wed 13-Oct-21 14:19:12

allmywhat

*I then took the time to Google each name and was disturbed that of these deaths, very few seem to have been reported in the mainstream media. It was the LGBT outlets mostly. That’s pretty sad because it really does reinforce the idea that the world generally doesn’t care about trans deaths*

I don't think this holds. Very few violent deaths are reported in the mainstream media. And you are in the UK, based on your name? It's unusual for any random violent death in another country to be reported in UK media, even when that other country is the US, which gets a disproportionate amount of UK media attention.

My observation is that the death of a trans person is much more likely to get widespread media coverage than the death of a non-trans person, but obviously still most don't, there's a great deal of randomness and of course there's almost certainly a racial component to it as there is with the coverage of violent crimes against women.

I'm not sure if anyone has ever compiled statistics that would back up my observation, but for an example, look at all the media coverage that a male assault on a trans sex worker here in the UK garnered recently. How many non-fatal assaults on female sex workers get that kind of coverage?

I’m sure I’ve seen on another thread that most of these murdered people were sex workers. So if this is true I don’t know if the problem statement here is 1. trans sex workers are more likely to be murdered, 2. sex workers of colour are more likely to be murdered, or 3. sex workers are more likely to be murdered. All of them significant problems that highlight vulnerable categories and need addressing, and it also seems quite likely they are all true, especially 1 & 2, but would be good to define the problem.

Fariha31 Wed 13-Oct-21 15:15:24

Prostituted women and men are in very high risk of being murdered or assulted. Its off the charts from what Iv seen.

Freespeecher Wed 13-Oct-21 17:40:59

Activist types need to learn to pick their battles better - Netflix and [insert publisher here - was it Hachette?] won't be strongarmed into cutting ties with their golden-egg layers that are Dave Chappelle and JK Rowling.

Also, Chappelle is old-school in that he'll tell jokes in the round. Sure, he'll have a pop at the 'alphabet people', feminists, white people etc but he'll also tell jokes about black people. Isn't this the best way to do it? Ricky Gervais has also spoken about people being fine when he has a pop at other groups but when he has a pop at theirs it's a whole different story (and he's not in the same league as Chapelle).

LobsterNapkin Wed 13-Oct-21 17:59:47

Freespeecher

Activist types need to learn to pick their battles better - Netflix and [insert publisher here - was it Hachette?] won't be strongarmed into cutting ties with their golden-egg layers that are Dave Chappelle and JK Rowling.

Also, Chappelle is old-school in that he'll tell jokes in the round. Sure, he'll have a pop at the 'alphabet people', feminists, white people etc but he'll also tell jokes about black people. Isn't this the best way to do it? Ricky Gervais has also spoken about people being fine when he has a pop at other groups but when he has a pop at theirs it's a whole different story (and he's not in the same league as Chapelle).

In my experience what you mostly hear people say is you can tell jokes about your own group, but not about others. Or, you can tell jokes about others if they are oppressors, but not if they are more oppressed than you are. That's "punching down."

MrGHardy Wed 13-Oct-21 18:10:40

Rightly so, if I did this in my company over an issue I disagreed with management over, the same thing would happen.

MrGHardy Wed 13-Oct-21 18:11:42

"Or, you can tell jokes about others if they are oppressors, but not if they are more oppressed than you are. That's "punching down.""

Who decides the hierarchy of oppression?

And anyway, a key skill in life is to laugh at yourself. Something these people are severely lacking in.

Shelddd Wed 13-Oct-21 18:32:26

MrGHardy

"Or, you can tell jokes about others if they are oppressors, but not if they are more oppressed than you are. That's "punching down.""

Who decides the hierarchy of oppression?

And anyway, a key skill in life is to laugh at yourself. Something these people are severely lacking in.

Yeah I've always had an issue with this. This whole concept of intersectionality just makes it a race to the bottom where everyone is just trying so hard to find different ways they are oppressed because the concept turns oppression into power.... by giving special rights to those who are the most oppressed.

It's messed up... turning the oppressed into oppressors...

Shelddd Wed 13-Oct-21 18:33:13

Also to expand on that, it turns different oppressed groups on each other and makes them fight eachother for power when they should be working together to improve their situation.

Onyernelly Wed 13-Oct-21 18:35:55

The person in question has had their suspension lifted as it was found that there was no malice in their attempt to storm the meeting.

Yeah right.

MarshmallowSwede Wed 13-Oct-21 19:11:54

They always trot out black and Latin people to use as human shields for supposed trans rights. Yet are silent about the very dangerous racial discrimination people of colour face daily.

I find this extremely disingenuous on their part. As usual white men using people of colour when it suits them to meet their own needs. How rich that white men have found a way to make themselves the most oppressed and mistreated group of people!

They don’t at all care about trans women of colour. These are privileged white men who use stats about trans women of colour when it suits them to advance their false narrative of being oppressed.

White men are not oppressed in any way, shape or form. No matter the sexual orientation or style of dress.. some gay men are extremely anti woman (fish anyone).. and the gay community is full of racism as well.

So don’t give me this nonsense about how accepting and diverse and open they are. Just because you like to sex other men doesn’t make you non racist and accepting. That’s a myth. Just because you dress as a woman doesn’t mean you are oppressed.

White men using people of colour for their own devices is nothing new. I don’t care how you wrap this up.. this is nothing more than a bunch of privileged white men who want to be oppressed so badly and desperately want attention and validation of others.

So women of colour have more privilege than a white man who is in a dress? Give me a break.

Men always have the audacity! Imagine going to a recent immigrant woman who is working in a very low paid job, has chidlren and no family support, is discriminated against for being a woman, in addition to being a woman of colour and perhaps having an accent and broken English.. and telling her that you as a white English man for 35 yes of your life or however many years and now are a trans woman, that you face more discrimination than her. That you are more oppressed than her.

Or imagine being a woman white or a woman of any ethnicity who is in childbearing age who is doing the same job as your colleague but being paid less and asking if you’re going to come back early from maternity leave.. your boss saying if you don’t you could lose any chance of advancing your career.

Or being a young girl starting her period at school being laughed at for getting blood on your trousers because of the high cost of female sanitary items you cannot afford to buy a lot of them.

But a man who chooses to wear a skirt is way way way more oppressed than you. Do these people have any self awareness?

You’re a white man who works at Netflix and transitioned to live as a woman and you’re oppressed? In what universe?

Shelddd Wed 13-Oct-21 19:28:35

MarshmallowSwede

They always trot out black and Latin people to use as human shields for supposed trans rights. Yet are silent about the very dangerous racial discrimination people of colour face daily.

I find this extremely disingenuous on their part. As usual white men using people of colour when it suits them to meet their own needs. How rich that white men have found a way to make themselves the most oppressed and mistreated group of people!

They don’t at all care about trans women of colour. These are privileged white men who use stats about trans women of colour when it suits them to advance their false narrative of being oppressed.

White men are not oppressed in any way, shape or form. No matter the sexual orientation or style of dress.. some gay men are extremely anti woman (fish anyone).. and the gay community is full of racism as well.

So don’t give me this nonsense about how accepting and diverse and open they are. Just because you like to sex other men doesn’t make you non racist and accepting. That’s a myth. Just because you dress as a woman doesn’t mean you are oppressed.

White men using people of colour for their own devices is nothing new. I don’t care how you wrap this up.. this is nothing more than a bunch of privileged white men who want to be oppressed so badly and desperately want attention and validation of others.

So women of colour have more privilege than a white man who is in a dress? Give me a break.

Men always have the audacity! Imagine going to a recent immigrant woman who is working in a very low paid job, has chidlren and no family support, is discriminated against for being a woman, in addition to being a woman of colour and perhaps having an accent and broken English.. and telling her that you as a white English man for 35 yes of your life or however many years and now are a trans woman, that you face more discrimination than her. That you are more oppressed than her.

Or imagine being a woman white or a woman of any ethnicity who is in childbearing age who is doing the same job as your colleague but being paid less and asking if you’re going to come back early from maternity leave.. your boss saying if you don’t you could lose any chance of advancing your career.

Or being a young girl starting her period at school being laughed at for getting blood on your trousers because of the high cost of female sanitary items you cannot afford to buy a lot of them.

But a man who chooses to wear a skirt is way way way more oppressed than you. Do these people have any self awareness?

You’re a white man who works at Netflix and transitioned to live as a woman and you’re oppressed? In what universe?

This is exactly the problem though... you are trying to race and say who is more oppressed. Who cares who is more oppressed.

We all agree that rich white men are not oppressed right? Okay cool.

Everyone else can be oppressed, depends on their situation, sometimes they aren't oppressed... hilarious when people say someone like michelle obama is oppressed.

Why don't oppressed people just stand together, start businesses and help other oppressed people, rather than fight over who is more oppressed like you are doing right now.

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