The cancellation of women is bigger than a culture war (Tory MP in the Telegraph)

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ItsRainingProstateOwners Mon 11-Oct-21 19:58:23

Miriam Cates is Conservative MP for Penistone and Stockbridge.

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Nappyvalley15 Mon 11-Oct-21 20:01:47

That is one of the clearest articles on this that I have read. Very effective at laying out the crux of the issue.

AngeloMysterioso Mon 11-Oct-21 20:18:40

It’s an excellent piece. I wonder why they’ve not allowed comments?

Theeyeballsinthesky Mon 11-Oct-21 20:20:43

That article is crystal clear about the issues! Brilliant

SirSamuelVimes Mon 11-Oct-21 20:35:10

Brilliant. Going to email her tomorrow to say thank you.

Year6dramallama Mon 11-Oct-21 20:44:38

Is there a share token?

User135644 Mon 11-Oct-21 20:45:53

We're all Tories now.


OldCrone Mon 11-Oct-21 20:47:59


Is there a share token?

The Telegraph doesn't do share tokens, but I found it on one of the archive sites.

Year6dramallama Mon 11-Oct-21 20:54:23

Ah, can you post a link?

SingingSands Mon 11-Oct-21 20:57:54

How can I read this without a subscription?

SirSamuelVimes Mon 11-Oct-21 20:59:08

Trick to access articles if using your phone - click the link,then immediately put your airplane mode on. The article will load but (if you are quick enough) the blocky thing that comes up over the top of the page won't have time to do so.

You do have to be mega quick though!

Stopsnowing Mon 11-Oct-21 20:59:55

The clash between trans activists and gender critical feminists has been the subject of many column inches over recent weeks. We’ve seen toxic divisions at the Labour Party conference, the Kiera Bell case in the Court of Appeal and most recently a vicious attempt to oust Kathleen Stock from her position at Sussex University over her views on the importance of biological sex.

For many in the media, and for many politicians, this clash seems to have been filed on the shelf marked ‘culture war’, the implication being that the issue should be placed in the same category as arguments over which statues should be toppled, or whether Government ministers ought to have a portrait of the Queen in their offices.

But this demonstrates a profound misunderstanding of the seriousness of the issues at play here. The central dispute in the ‘trans debate’ - whether or not trans women should be considered in law and by society to be the same as women who were born female - is not a minor controversy that politicians and governments would be wise to avoid. Rather it is an issue of enormous significance to the rights and safety of women.

Women’s rights have been won on the basis that there is such a thing as a woman, that females are different to males, not just in terms of our biology, but in the challenges we face, our psychology, our role as mothers, and the life experiences we have.

If we erode the very concept of women - for example by saying that trans women are women, or by denying the importance of biological sex - we erase the rights of women. I for one can’t stand by and let that happen.

I admit when I first became aware of this dispute, I was slightly baffled.

As a former biology teacher I struggle to see how statements such as ‘only women have a cervix’ and ‘only women can give birth’ are anything other than scientific fact.

As a genetics graduate I can’t see why it’s controversial to say that sex is determined at conception - by which lucky sperm meets the egg - and that every single cell of your body contains those sex chromosomes for ever.

That is not controversial, and I therefore assumed that this was a debate that would fizzle out.

But it hasn’t gone away, and when we have senior elected politicians making statements saying that those who deny males access to women’s spaces are "dinosaurs who want to hoard rights" (David Lammy MP), or that there shouldn’t be sex segregated facilities for women in schools and hospitals (Alex Sobel MP), I think we have to recognise that women are in danger. Again.

Because the fact is that, far from being hoarders of rights, women - and many men - have had to fight very hard for us to have any rights at all. And whilst we may be equal with men now by law - and that should be celebrated - there is still one area where we are very much unequal and probably always will be: the area of physical and sexual power.

For all sorts of biological reasons, men can choose to exert sexual power over women with abhorrent results. Every woman knows what the threat of that feels like, and many, sadly, have experienced much worse than just threat.

It is this inequality that demands that women be protected when we are most vulnerable - in the privacy of changing facilities, in the indignity of a hospital ward, in the vulnerability of a prison estate, or when fleeing domestic abuse.

To suggest that women who want to be protected in these most vulnerable of areas are somehow bigots or transphobes is to completely deny the truth of the situation. Women’s sex-based rights are protected by law, and that includes the right to single-sex spaces where these are necessary to preserve our safety and dignity.

In a tolerant and liberal society, adults should be able to live how they choose within the law, free from discrimination and abuse. I have yet to meet anyone who doesn’t believe that trans people - just like everyone else - should be treated with respect, compassion and dignity.

But this is not the limit of what is being demanded by campaigners, who are pressing for trans people to be treated in every respect as if they were the opposite sex, even if they have yet to go through any form of hormonal or surgical gender reassignment.

We need to recognise that as human beings we do not get to choose every aspect of our identity - whether that’s our sex, our nationality, our place of birth, or our family history. Identity is complex, but it is undeniably based on external and inherent factors as much as our own choices and preferences. It is not scientifically possible to change the sex we are assigned at conception.

Yet trans activists have succeeded in campaigning for biological males who identify as female to be allowed into women’s sports, women’s hospital wards and women’s prisons, even when these trans women still have intact male genitalia. This is not acceptable, and presents a serious threat to women’s safety, as well as our sex-based rights.

In addition, many activists want to silence those who question this ideology, and we have seen this month concerted efforts to force Sussex University to sack Kathleen Stock for expressing gender critical views. In a tolerant democracy, no one has the right to force anyone else to agree with their beliefs, whether that be religion, creed or gender ideology. There is nothing tolerant or democratic about activism that results in a respected academic requiring bodyguards to go to work.

As the beginning of her excellent book on this subject entitled ‘Trans: When Ideology Meets Reality’, Helen Joyce uses a quote from Audre Lorde:

‘When I dare to be powerful, to use my strength in the service of my vision, then it becomes less and less important whether or not I am afraid.’

For many people in the public eye - be that politicians, journalists or business leaders - speaking out against such an intolerant agenda is frightening. But we owe it to women everywhere to put our fears aside and dare to use our voice.

As a woman, a mother of a daughter and a Member of Parliament my vision is clear: I want women and girls to flourish in this country, by protecting and building on our hard-won rights.

AngeloMysterioso Mon 11-Oct-21 21:00:03

It’s on Glinner’s Substack

Purpletomato Mon 11-Oct-21 21:04:25

Bravo. Great article. Very clear.

OldCrone Mon 11-Oct-21 21:06:00

Archive link:

TheCountessofFitzdotterel Mon 11-Oct-21 21:06:12

Excellent article. Well done that MP.

tiddlysquat Mon 11-Oct-21 21:10:58

@SirSamuelVimes that trick is genius !!

highstreetdiestreet Mon 11-Oct-21 21:21:46


Trick to access articles if using your phone - click the link,then immediately put your airplane mode on. The article will load but (if you are quick enough) the blocky thing that comes up over the top of the page won't have time to do so.

You do have to be mega quick though!

Worked for me!

NutellaEllaElla Mon 11-Oct-21 21:35:03



NiceGerbil Mon 11-Oct-21 21:37:06

In terms of voting.

I'm thinking find out the views of your candidates and support them unless it's a party you just can't.

Failing that a woman, unless they are outspoken anti feminists types. Women tend to care more about other women than men ever do.

Campervan69 Mon 11-Oct-21 21:42:31

That's a brilliant article 👏

WomaninBoots Mon 11-Oct-21 21:54:07

Nailed it.

Well done that woman.

RedDogsBeg Mon 11-Oct-21 22:03:40

Definitely nailed it and one helluva a shot across the bows, this cannot be ignored any longer, no more hand-waving it away, no more both sides, most oppressed, heat and light crap.

eurochick Mon 11-Oct-21 22:15:37

What a clear and well-reasoned article. Such a contrast to the nonsensical blathering of Starmer and Lammy. I am so disappointed in Labour.

FlyingOink Mon 11-Oct-21 22:32:02

Brilliant article.

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