GB News doing 'Gender' Now

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Jaysmith71 Sat 09-Oct-21 15:04:38

...Alex Phillips, intelligent but rather pleased with herself, asking all the right questions.

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Jaysmith71 Sat 09-Oct-21 16:01:03

Recorded it.

Will review it later.

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Ereshkigalangcleg Sat 09-Oct-21 16:17:35

Alex Phillips and most of the female presenters really seem to get it and are allowed to say so!

IsitM Sat 09-Oct-21 16:25:26

The GB News presenters are really are getting to grips with this issue, but I do wish they would challenge the lies of people like Tatchell; yet again he insists they have been ‘no problems’ with self ID in other countries, among other falsehoods. He and his ilk need to be robustly challenged.

ConfusedInNY Sun 10-Oct-21 09:50:30

Is that the lady who was in UKIP then the Brexit Party?. Now nigel is on GB news it must feel like a bit of a reunion over at gab news. Favourite presenter is Neil Oliver though but I’ve always had a lot of time for Nigel Farage. He comes across as so thoughtful but jovial at the same time smile

NewlyGranny Sun 10-Oct-21 10:01:24

"I've always had a lot of time for Nigel Farage."

Gosh, really ConfusedinNY? I admit I had to re-read that more than once for it to compute. It's not a clause I ever thought to read or hear, here or anywhere. I'm intrigued and my mind is open for new takes on NF. 🤔

Ereshkigalangcleg Sun 10-Oct-21 10:12:30

Is that the lady who was in UKIP then the Brexit Party?

Not sure why that would mean her views on women's rights aren't relevant, as a woman? Or is that not what you meant?

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Jaysmith71 Sun 10-Oct-21 10:26:23

OK:

First we have Katy-Jon Went giving a reasonable summary of the case on the moderate pro-trans side: "There is an element to which it is a mental health disorder....but it has been around in all cultures for ges."

Next, Bev Jackson from LGBA, calm and polite with her case. "We set up because Stonewall refused to talk to us."

After the break, Stella O'Malley supporting parents of transey kids: Huge spike in the numbers presenting.

...Posey being Posey: Scrap the GRA.

...Tachell: "I am an independent human rights campaigner, and Posey want to demonise trans people promoting scare scenarios...Just a handful who are 'bad'".

....Gary Powell from the Bow Group, rightwing Tory: It's all gone too far, ideological insanity, the end of Western Civillisation as we know it.

Finally, Michelle Dewberry, who's just a plain-speaking Northern Lass, eckythump, etc.

A grown-up debate, everyone polite.

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MissyB1 Sun 10-Oct-21 10:53:44

eckythump gringrin

Sorry i know it’s irrelevant but I just always giggle when I see or hear that! It reminds me of The Goodies (showing my age).

andyoldlabour Sun 10-Oct-21 11:18:56

Eckythump - I haven't heard that since I lived in Bolton grin

www.examinerlive.co.uk/news/local-news/denis-beginnings-ecky-thump-4992973

MissyB1 Sun 10-Oct-21 11:30:22

@andyoldlabour right that’s it, next time a colleague pisses me off at work I will slap them round the head with a black pudding grin

thedancingbear Sun 10-Oct-21 11:39:02

Doesn't it raise a red flag for anyone when you find yourself aligning with a news outlet noted for its thinly-veiled racism and more general far-right leanings?

Not intended as a criticism of the GC position (which for the most part I agree with) but, fucking hell, the idea of sitting and nodding along to NewsGB and Farage - a pound shop Oswald Moseley - makes me queasy.

Babdoc Sun 10-Oct-21 12:48:00

Not at all, thedancingbear. My enemy’s enemy is my friend, etc.
One does not have to agree with 100% of a person’s opinions in order to ally with them on a single issue.
I worked alongside Communists, Tories, Lib Dems and Labour supporters to fight for the UK against SNP separatism in the indy referendum. I did not agree with all of them on everything- that would have been a logical impossibility! - but we happily combined forces against our common enemy. The war on women is no different.

Jaysmith71 Sun 10-Oct-21 12:51:24

I stopped watching GB News because of Farage.

But then started again because of Andrew Doyle.

Murdoch's Talk TV is coming. This Freeview aint big enough for the both of them.

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334bu Sun 10-Oct-21 12:57:53

*Doesn't it raise a red flag for anyone when you find yourself aligning with a news outlet noted for its thinly-veiled racism and more general far-right leanings?*

So it is ok to share the views of the Morning Star on this issue but then have to change your stance because GBNews agrees with them?confused

thethoughtfox Sun 10-Oct-21 13:10:56

Could someone post a link / name of the item so I can watch it? Thank you

Jaysmith71 Sun 10-Oct-21 13:12:55

thethoughtfox

Could someone post a link / name of the item so I can watch it? Thank you

Not up yet and may never be.

www.gbnews.uk/the-afternoon-agenda

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Fifteentoes Sun 10-Oct-21 13:36:17

Babdoc

Not at all, thedancingbear. My enemy’s enemy is my friend, etc.
One does not have to agree with 100% of a person’s opinions in order to ally with them on a single issue.
I worked alongside Communists, Tories, Lib Dems and Labour supporters to fight for the UK against SNP separatism in the indy referendum. I did not agree with all of them on everything- that would have been a logical impossibility! - but we happily combined forces against our common enemy. The war on women is no different.

The thing is you have to be careful that what your enemy's enemy is saying is actually the same (or close enough to) as what you're saying. There can be more than two positions on an issue, and two or more of those can be equally offensive.

In this case, it's obviously tempting to rejoice when hearing the right fight against trans rights, since it's become (sadly) a kind of zero sum game between those and women's rights. But if you actually dig a little below the surface of what these people believe - and particularly, if you look at it in the context of the overall "war on woke" that the Tories are transparently stoking as the next source of social division to win them the next election - you find yourself a long way from the kind of open-minded equality I suspect most on this board aspire to.

I despair when I see so many feminists align themselves with the "anti-woke" just because of the singular coincidence of this one issue, apparently completely oblivious to the fact that feminism itself is (in the anti-woke army's minds) the original and biggest woke bogeyman to be killed. Cos society's "swung the other way" and is so hard on all the poor downtrodden middle aged white men, don't you know.

I'm not a communist so I don't agree with the Morning Star on all political issues, but I agree with them on this one in confidence that we mean the same thing - that male privilege and female disadvantage still exist, and that we should not compromise the fight against it for the sake of a very dubious and unscientific quasi-psychological ideology.

I'm not convinced Nigel Farage understands it that way at all; in fact I'm pretty sure he doesn't.

Abhannmor Sun 10-Oct-21 16:22:37

MissyB1

eckythump gringrin

Sorry i know it’s irrelevant but I just always giggle when I see or hear that! It reminds me of The Goodies (showing my age).

Ah the Goodies. I imagine some of their stuff would be cancelled. Ee bah gum. But if GB News are a load of far right nutbags , it doesn't seem to bother Tatchell.

thedancingbear Sun 10-Oct-21 16:55:28

I despair when I see so many feminists align themselves with the "anti-woke" just because of the singular coincidence of this one issue, apparently completely oblivious to the fact that feminism itself is (in the anti-woke army's minds) the original and biggest woke bogeyman to be killed. Cos society's "swung the other way" and is so hard on all the poor downtrodden middle aged white men, don't you know.

Yep. If you watch and support GBNEWS or FoxUK or whatever it's called, you're giving them credibility and commercial viability and a platform to bash gay people, immigrants, single mums, black people, and whoever else is in the firing line at the moment.

'Enemy's enemy is my friend' really doesn't work unless the only issue you care about is trans.

thedancingbear Sun 10-Oct-21 16:59:00

334bu

**Doesn't it raise a red flag for anyone when you find yourself aligning with a news outlet noted for its thinly-veiled racism and more general far-right leanings?**

So it is ok to share the views of the Morning Star on this issue but then have to change your stance because GBNews agrees with them?confused

Don't be silly. That's exactly not what I'm saying, and you know it.

It's entirely consistent to say, 'I am GC but I will have no truck with GB News, because they are a rabble of vile bigots'.

Has it occurred to you that GB News, Farage etc. be trans-critical because they are actually vile transphobes (unlike, by and large, most posters here)? Are these the friends you want? Really?

Jaysmith71 Sun 10-Oct-21 17:31:13

Just as St Winalots sang, There's No One Quite Like Gandma, so there's no one so vile as Farage. GB News have taken him on in a desperate attempt to get some eyeballs to satisfy their investors and advertisers.

The rest of GB are a mixed bunch. I don't think anyone can object to Ray Mears, for example.

CNN also get on my nerves sometimes with their 'pregnant people' and Pro-Megan garbage. But they have good journos and are worth a sceptical watch.

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Sillydoggy Sun 10-Oct-21 17:48:53

At this point we need all the coverage we can get. If GB News can get discussion going we will have moved beyond No Debate. If it was being properly debated across all media perhaps we wouldn't be watching it on GB News but we are not there yet.

andyoldlabour Sun 10-Oct-21 17:52:47

thedancingbear

It has been a strange day today, lots of posters scolding the good women of Mumsnet, telling them who they can and cannot watch, it is all a bit Orwellian if you ask me.
Comparing Nigel Farage to Oswald Mosely is totally ridiculous and is bringing Godwin's Law into play.
DancingBear, who would you suggest the good women watch, listen to or read?
Take your timewink

ShagMeRiggins Sun 10-Oct-21 18:03:46

Has it occurred to you that GB News, Farage etc. be trans-critical because they are actually vile transphobes (unlike, by and large, most posters here)? Are these the friends you want? Really?

I’m not here—in this fight—to make friends. If that happens, it’s a bonus, sure, but I reserve my right to think and behave independently.

If I want someone in my life to agree with me on everything, I’ll ask myself. hmm

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