national ID: male/female/non-binary

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IamAporcupine Wed 21-Jul-21 19:55:34

My home country has decided that in our national identity cards we will now have a third option for the sex category: female, male and X, for the non-binaries.

I can't express IRL how frustrated and angry I feel as almost everyone I know is very proud that we are the first country in our continent to do this, and how inclusive we are.

So I though I could share it here...

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Eyjafjallajokulldottir Wed 21-Jul-21 19:56:54

Which country?

IamAporcupine Wed 21-Jul-21 20:04:00

Eyjafjallajokulldottir

Which country?

Argentina

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KittenKong Wed 21-Jul-21 20:10:19

Jay-sus. How on earth do they explain sex being replaced by genderwoo (and why only 3 options out of the 7 billion or so that m******s said there were)?

Kendodd Wed 21-Jul-21 20:14:44

If I'm female and identify as X do I get an 18% pay rise or is that just for males?

TedImgoingmad Wed 21-Jul-21 20:41:20

I sometimes wonder, if everyone started ticking the non binary box, how long would it be before, a) the govt and authorities started having kittens about the lack of adequate data, and b) the special ones started feeling a bit less special and started looking for some other way to make their sad lives look interesting?

ArabellaScott Wed 21-Jul-21 20:48:55

Madness, OP. I'm sorry.

It will be scary interesting to see how the effects of this play out. Especially in the mid to longer term, if it lasts that long.

I made a thread on feminism in Argentina a while back (- I have no memory of how I fell down that particular rabbit hole) (apologies for any errors):

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4281846-Feminism-in-Argentina

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highame Thu 22-Jul-21 08:19:30

I am more interested in whether there are any consequences IRL. I notice it is identity cards and not passports, so they know how far they can go. Will it make so much difference on an identity card? Have they had to change other things to accommodate this, such has health records. Interesting to see what happens

NancyDrawed Thu 22-Jul-21 08:30:28

TedImgoingmad

I sometimes wonder, if everyone started ticking the non binary box, how long would it be before, a) the govt and authorities started having kittens about the lack of adequate data, and b) the special ones started feeling a bit less special and started looking for some other way to make their sad lives look interesting?

I have wondered the same.

Seeing as most of the population are not hyper masculine or feminine in outward appearance or behaviour, surely nearly everyone falls under the label 'non binary' (if they believe in such labels, I don't)

NancyDrawed Thu 22-Jul-21 08:31:15

And of course non binary is not a SEX ffs, just as male and female are not 'genders'

merrymouse Thu 22-Jul-21 09:10:02

I think they need to explain why they only need sex on some people's passports, or why they aren't asking for other information about people's identities - 'loves gardening, hates bananas'.

FightingtheFoo Thu 22-Jul-21 09:19:03

I've started ticking Non Binary when it's an option on forms.

I spend most of my time in trousers, no bra, no make-up, so obviously I can't possible identify as female.

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

KittenKong Thu 22-Jul-21 09:43:49

I enjoy the ‘Don’t know’ option - or if I have time, the open text box option. They never answer though...

IamAporcupine Thu 22-Jul-21 10:12:44

NancyDrawed

And of course non binary is not a SEX ffs, just as male and female are not 'genders'

I know...!
Noone seems to worry too much about accuracies anymore. The most important thing is to be seen as 'being inclusive' and 'giving NB/T people their rights' etc etc

The president said yesterday: 'the State should have no saying on its citizens' sexual orientation' confused

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IamAporcupine Thu 22-Jul-21 10:28:38

ArabellaScott

Madness, OP. I'm sorry.

It will be scary interesting to see how the effects of this play out. Especially in the mid to longer term, if it lasts that long.

I made a thread on feminism in Argentina a while back (- I have no memory of how I fell down that particular rabbit hole) (apologies for any errors):

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4281846-Feminism-in-Argentina

Thanks for the link, I had not seen the thread!

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IamAporcupine Thu 22-Jul-21 15:42:03

highame

I am more interested in whether there are any consequences IRL. I notice it is identity cards and not passports, so they know how far they can go. Will it make so much difference on an identity card? Have they had to change other things to accommodate this, such has health records. Interesting to see what happens

I thought so too, but I have now heard that it is both national identity cards and passports! Is that even legal?

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Mulletsaremisunderstood Thu 22-Jul-21 16:44:28

I can't express IRL how frustrated and angry I feel as almost everyone I know is very proud that we are the first country in our continent to do this, and how inclusive we are.

Interestingly, this is very common. For some reason it's so important to be seen to be super progressive and inclusive. When in fact it's regressive nonsense. My country is the same, it's infuriating. All the while we have a shameful history of treating women like crap.

Like, what does it even mean, is there an accurate definition? And how do you measure it accurately? I think the comment about sexual orientation is very telling - it shows how confused people are, they think it's a sexuality, when it isn't. It's simply a declaration, nothing to do with sexuality.

Anyway, I sympathise OP, the ridiculousness is spreading.

EyesOpening Thu 22-Jul-21 16:51:37

Remind me what an ID card is for again hmm

JellySlice Thu 22-Jul-21 18:09:41

Quite a good idea. Instant identification of people for whom ideology is more important than correct medical treatment or appropriate allocation of resources. Should save a lot of money, time and resources. Almost Darwinian.

IamAporcupine Thu 22-Jul-21 18:31:15

EyesOpening

Remind me what an ID card is for again hmm

That's a good point! I left my country >20 years ago so I had to remind myself (and ask!).
You use your ID card to prove your age, to open a bank account, to vote.
I believe the UK uses driving licenses in a similar way.

I am still not sure how much it is used within the public health system blush; I am trying to find out.

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EyesOpening Thu 22-Jul-21 19:01:45

but if having your sex/gender isn't useful, then what's the point and if it is, how does having X help ID you?

EyesOpening Thu 22-Jul-21 19:04:13

It's like having a category of height and having the options of answer as yes or no

MishyJDI Thu 22-Jul-21 19:43:44

congratulations to Argentina. Great to see a progressive country!

KittenKong Thu 22-Jul-21 19:47:31

Progressive in what way exactly? Getting sex confused with gender looks like a pretty basic gaff.

PrincessNutella Thu 22-Jul-21 19:49:56

There's two kinds of people binary and nonbinary oops I guess there's a binary except nobody is actually nonbinary so I guess there isn't a binary except actually there are only two sexes so there actually is a binary. Sigh. It's so confusing.

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