Rapists of Males given tougher prison sentences Rapists of Females - MoJ figures

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FindTheTruth Fri 28-May-21 08:37:09

www.nationalworld.com/news/uk-news/rapists-of-men-and-boys-given-tougher-prison-sentences-than-those-who-target-female-victims-3253087

Analysis of Ministry of Justice figures shows the average custodial sentence handed down in England and Wales in 2020 following a conviction for rape was 119 months, or nine years and 11 months.

Where the victim was female, as they were in the vast majority of cases, the average sentence was 117 months – roughly nine years and nine months.

But for the 32 criminals sentenced for raping men and boys, the average sentence was almost two years longer – 138 months, or 11 years and six months.

When looking at victims aged 16 and over alone, the gap widens to two years and five months – those who attacked men got 138 months on average while those who raped women got 109 months.

The analysis does not include defendants given life sentences, as it is not known how long they will spend behind bars before becoming eligible for parole and subsequent release

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Nonmaquillee Fri 28-May-21 08:38:34

Wow. No words for this.

LivingLaVidaCovid Fri 28-May-21 08:41:32

Thank you for sharing this.

Its with a heavy heart i have to say this does not surprise me.

MapGirlExtraordinaire Fri 28-May-21 08:47:26

Most of the judges will be men and its understandable that male rape will just feel more repulsive to a male judge and therefore worthy of a longer sentence.

I think a lot of men view rape, especially date rape / non-stranger-knife rape as little worse than a childhood enforced cuddle from slightly cabbagey auntie Doris.

Also male rape is clearly worse 'because its gay', and forcing a straight man to perform a gay act is awful. I'd be interested to see a breakdown of hetero vs homosexual male victims. I'd bet my house on homosexual male victims' perpetrators getting smaller sentences, possibly even smaller than women.

Judges should be using their objectivity, but also this is why we need equality in the judiciary and all walks of life. This sort of thing is a compelling reason for female shortlists for posts. We need the female voice to have as much weight as the male.

Just to be very clear, I do not for one second thing male rape is worse, I'm putting across the views of others I've spoken to / what I am sure is driving this difference.

KateMuff Fri 28-May-21 08:54:09

This is so clear when you compare the sentencing of the most prolific rapists:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Worboys

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reynhard_Sinaga

Horrendous. Both should be full life terms but they tried to release Worboys after 10 years. And personally I think they would have released him if the Prime Ministers partner wasn't his victim and so outspoken about it.

TheoMeo Fri 28-May-21 08:56:07

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vivariumvivariumsvivaria Fri 28-May-21 09:03:05

And, for the legal process prior to conviction - 1.4% of reported rapes make it to court www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-48095118

Do we know how many rapes against women are not reported?

I have enormous sympathy for women who choose not to pursue justice. It doesn't exactly look like a terribly just system.

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QuentinBunbury Fri 28-May-21 09:13:16

This is so predictable.
Next there will be a load of MRA analysis showing that actually women have it better because the number of cases are higher - men are "too ashamed" so only the worst get reported could be the line.

It's so depressing

UppityPuppity Fri 28-May-21 09:14:37

When women are raped there is chance of pregnancy against the women’s will - then abortion/giving birth etc. Rapists know this. Impact of this potential and attitude of the rapist also needs to be taken into the judgement.

CrazyNeighbour Fri 28-May-21 09:15:59

On the surface it looks awful, but with only a sample of 32 (and obviously fewer when the children are removed) I have to ask how powerful the data is.
I would also ask if there are aggravating factors more frequently in male rape. E.g. spiking/drugging or heightened violence.

In any case, neither of them seem long enough to me.

DifficultBloodyWoman Fri 28-May-21 09:16:38

Wow!

CrazyNeighbour Fri 28-May-21 09:16:56

Do we know that men are less likely to report male rape and what is the reporting to charging/conviction ratio?

Crockof Fri 28-May-21 09:20:50

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

YetAnotherSpartacus Fri 28-May-21 09:40:46

Surprise! (Not).

EmbarrassingAdmissions Fri 28-May-21 09:52:20

CrazyNeighbour

On the surface it looks awful, but with only a sample of 32 (and obviously fewer when the children are removed) I have to ask how powerful the data is.
I would also ask if there are aggravating factors more frequently in male rape. E.g. spiking/drugging or heightened violence.

In any case, neither of them seem long enough to me.

Agreed - we'd know to know the denominator to have any idea in general and that's a (thankfully) small sample.

LazyHorizon Fri 28-May-21 09:54:17

What about women who are anally raped? Not being facetious at all. Does this count as “worse” from the judges’ perspective, or not as bad as male rape?

The whole thing is atrocious and some bright light needs to be directed towards it ASAP.

suggestionsplease1 Fri 28-May-21 10:10:16

It's interesting to look at the change over the years and that in 2016 and 2017 rapists of females got on average longer sentences than rapists of males.

I wonder if it is a symptom of the drive to encourage more victims of rape to come forward - so women who previously might not have done in certain circumstances, or whose case might not have been taken forward because of concerns of difficulty getting a conviction - eg marital rape, refusal to stop when requested after starting intercourse, not wearing a condom, are coming forward in greater numbers, and then some of these are judged as having less aggravating factors than use of violence etc?

You'd need a real breakdown of all the individual circumstances of each conviction to workout what was going on.

PlanDeRaccordement Fri 28-May-21 10:15:53

The sample size is sadly too small to know if the variation is an anomaly or usual. I’d like to see perhaps ten years worth of data?

Also, did they control for number of rapes & victims? One off rapists are not sentenced as harshly as serial rapists- those who rape several women or subject one women to repeated rapes.

Did they control for aggravating factors? As in was the victim also stabbed, choked, left for dead/almost died?

The news article just glosses over the headline figures and I’d like to know more before agreeing there is a true disparity.

hedgehogger1 Fri 28-May-21 10:16:57

They should all be castrated. Fucking horrific crime

EmbarrassingAdmissions Fri 28-May-21 11:34:50

Also, did they control for number of rapes & victims? One off rapists are not sentenced as harshly as serial rapists- those who rape several women or subject one women to repeated rapes.

I was thinking of the serial rapist in Manchester - who drugged the men he raped.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-55276209

QuentinBunbury Fri 28-May-21 11:41:47

I wonder if it is a symptom of the drive to encourage more victims of rape to come forward - so women who previously might not have done in certain circumstances, or whose case might not have been taken forward because of concerns of difficulty getting a conviction - eg marital rape, refusal to stop when requested after starting intercourse, not wearing a condom, are coming forward in greater numbers, and then some of these are judged as having less aggravating factors than use of violence etc?
I doubt it given how rare it is for rape to be convicted.

I would be interested in whats changed with mens reporting and sentencing. I have a suspicion that the focus on encouraging reporting of rapes/convictions has benefited men rather than women- so more men are reporting and being "rewarded" with harsher sentences when their rapists are convicted.

Zinco Fri 28-May-21 15:34:49

I would also ask if there are aggravating factors more frequently in male rape. E.g. spiking/drugging or heightened violence.

This is a good point imo. It's quite possible that there are (on average) differences in male on male rape.

I assume it's physically more difficult to rape a man, unless they are drugged or they are much smaller than the perpetrator.

Could there also be differences in motivation? Do men rape men for the same reason they rape women?

HeadIsFucked Fri 28-May-21 16:18:07

Regardless of the sex of the victims here, I find the sentences to be fucking pitiful? The victims have to live with it forever. Also I kind of agree, 'luckily' the sample size is small. Its not lucky though really, as its the tip of the iceberg as we know, 1% of whatever of rapes make it to the prosecution stage.

HeadIsFucked Fri 28-May-21 16:18:46

Mind I find our sentencing to be quite shit regardless, for serious crimes. Meanwhile, prison for tv license evasion. Bloody ridiculous.

Crockof Fri 28-May-21 16:45:20

I can't quote it, but I sure as hell did not request for my post to be withdrawn.

Male violence is endemic, the victims of that violence deserve our support regardless of their sex.

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