Australian Trans Children Positive Support including by the Medical Association

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MishyJDI Mon 24-May-21 17:35:14

Lovely to see the ABC in Australia report a positive story around the treatment of transgender and gender diverse children, where the clinical regime there has the backing of the Australian Medical Association.

The lady running this is a true feminist and hero - from gym superstar to medical director. A fascinating story as she overrides intolerance and prejudice.

It's people like Michelle that have the clinical expertise to work with trans kids and work through their challenges.

www.abc.net.au/news/2021-05-24/michelle-telfer-trans-children-health/100137192

You can watch it here: www.youtube.com/watch?v=bT6vQwZYTp0

Interesting to see what a positive, affirmative model (where medically validated) can do for these kids, with safety medical guards in place. Well worthy of a watch!

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sourdoughismyreligion Mon 24-May-21 18:08:03

Experimenting on children. So heartwarming.

IAmFleshIAmBone Mon 24-May-21 18:10:59

No feminist would entertain the idea of giving children experimental drugs because they don't conform to sex-based stereotypes.

Campervan69 Mon 24-May-21 18:11:01

No child should be lied to. Adults should not be pretending to them that people can be born in the wrong body. Utterly disgraceful.

AngelicInnocent Mon 24-May-21 18:20:47

I'd be interested on the follow up to this in 10 years or so. I wonder whether that will be such a positive piece.

macj1 Mon 24-May-21 18:25:39

Wonder if this amazing Dr has come across these side fx? Orgasms so painful that hysterectomy is the only cure, and oesteoporosis?
Or the idea that 80% of gender non-confirming children grow up to simply be gay....

Hope very much for these Australian children, that risks outweigh benefits -
www.transgendertrend.com/severe-pain-orgasm-effect-testosterone-female-body/

www.transgendertrend.com/puberty-blockers-effects-bone-density/

MishyJDI Mon 24-May-21 21:21:31

macj1

Wonder if this amazing Dr has come across these side fx? Orgasms so painful that hysterectomy is the only cure, and oesteoporosis?
Or the idea that 80% of gender non-confirming children grow up to simply be gay....

Hope very much for these Australian children, that risks outweigh benefits -
www.transgendertrend.com/severe-pain-orgasm-effect-testosterone-female-body/

www.transgendertrend.com/puberty-blockers-effects-bone-density/

I think I'd trust her stats that less than 1% of children they treat detransition are more valid then items from an anti transgender group such as transgender trend.

Bit different to a theoretical 80% being gay instead. But they can still be trans and gay, so perhaps its valid.

Ill stick with the medical professionals I think!

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OldCrone Mon 24-May-21 21:26:33

Ill stick with the medical professionals I think!

Great. Have a look at what some of them have to say here.

www.segm.org

Artichokeleaves Mon 24-May-21 21:31:15

And Nicola Sturgeon thinks all parts of the SNP agenda are lovely and positive and inclusive.

It's one very one sided view of a situation, and not the whole, objective truth.

AssassinatedBeauty Mon 24-May-21 21:38:09

Why do "gender diverse" children need treatment of any kind??

teawamutu Mon 24-May-21 22:12:29

I'm sure Bunbury's got some valuable insights into this kind of coverage.

Sophoclesthefox Mon 24-May-21 22:20:51

I am at a a loss as to what is heartwarming about children being giving an experimental treatment that renders them sterile, impairs their sexual function, weakens their bones, lowers their IQ, and as far as we know has no demonstrable positive impact on what it is purported to treat, but maybe I’m wired a bit differently to you, OP.

LizzieSiddal Mon 24-May-21 22:25:35

No, I won’t watch a Dr encouraging putting children on a pathway of removal of healthy tissue and organs and of the sterilisation.

PrawnofthePatriarchy Mon 24-May-21 22:40:28

No one promoting experimental medical intervention on minors is a true feminist and hero. Just another bandwagon jumper, and with a bit of luck she'll take quite a tumble when the music stops.

Those poor, poor kids though.

AdHominemNonSequitur Mon 24-May-21 23:07:50

The stats are not from transgender trend, multiple independent studies have shown a high desistance rate with watchful waiting over adolescence. They also show a small percentage who never desist. For them I am sure the good Dr provides a happy ending, but the cost to the others is a lifetime of medicalisation and we know even for them there are side effects. You are just cherry picking the information that backs up your worldview. Private gender doctors who's income comes from manipulating cross sex hormones, showcasing their smiliest, happiest insta patients.

GreyhoundG1rl Mon 24-May-21 23:13:16

Well worthy of a watch!
Nah. Rather watch paint dry.

NotBadConsidering Mon 24-May-21 23:16:24

It was pure propaganda and Telfer openly either lied or was completely disingenuous. She said puberty blockers are reversible and the only negative was effects on bone density.

She also used the “<1% detransition” trope which refers to those who underwent gonadectomy only.

It was quite breathtakingly shocking to see such statements openly on the public broadcaster.

LizzieSiddal Mon 24-May-21 23:30:25

I hope all these Drs promoting putting children on a lifetime of medicalisation, are well insured. The lawsuits will begin shortly after these children grow into adults and finally realise they were sold a big fat lie.

Helleofabore Mon 24-May-21 23:31:29

I am at a a loss as to what is heartwarming about children being giving an experimental treatment that renders them sterile, impairs their sexual function, weakens their bones, lowers their IQ, and as far as we know has no demonstrable positive impact on what it is purported to treat, but maybe I’m wired a bit differently to you, OP.

I always look at just who benefits from pushing the medicalised treatment pathway for young people under 18. All too often they ignore the warning of Dr Steensma’s about the application of the studies to the current cohort of transitioners. There seems to be so much downplaying of the negative health effects on female transitioners by a few in the community to progress their own agenda.

Luckily there are some excellent female transitioner voices beginning to speak up for them and highlight how this is being ignored and they sometimes offer great insight as to ‘why’ it is downplayed.

VortexofBloggery Mon 24-May-21 23:43:43

Thought I recognised Telfer's name. Whatever happened to the enquiry? mercatornet.com/about-time-australian-doctors-to-investigate-transgender-treatments-for-kid/24636/

334bu Mon 24-May-21 23:50:33

youtu.be/27qjn0v4Av4

I wonder if this young Australian boy was treated there?

334bu Tue 25-May-21 00:27:58

mobile.twitter.com/jasonrantz/status/1396641801436467205

Section from a US programme speaking to detransitionners. Very disturbing reports of immediate affirmation followed by rapid medical intervention.

HeadIsFucked Tue 25-May-21 01:44:51

IAmFleshIAmBone

No feminist would entertain the idea of giving children experimental drugs because they don't conform to sex-based stereotypes.

Yup. This.

StellaAndCrow Tue 25-May-21 02:12:45

I feel for the 14 year old boy who's been on hormone blockers and female hormones since age 12, now at 14 needing a mastectomy., having realised that not wanting to be a boy didn't mean he was a girl,. And his mum's moved from Aus to London so he can have a new start - that's the danger of even social transition, it leaves kids in a situation that it's hard to row back from.

As the paediatrician says - there's a lot of children confused about their gender - it's a normal stage of development - the good news is that they'll grow out of it - don't mess them up!

Helleofabore Tue 25-May-21 06:59:01

I’d also be very hesitant to be celebrating any of the new legislation that Australian states have put in place over past 12 months.

The states effectively snuck these through in a pandemic and people are not happy. I’d expect a winding back on legislation that has clumsily allowed gender therapy to be mixed in with lesbian and gay conversion leading to only affirming being allowed.

This will be challenged when many trans people look back and see their trauma, their mental health issues were not able to be treated and led to decisions they would not have made had they been treated thoroughly at the time.

But thanks for allowing us to highlight the situation in Australia OP. It served as a warning I think, to the UK government.

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