Welsh and politically homeless

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BlackAlys Tue 04-May-21 23:10:43

Can anyone help me out?
I've been Plaid all my life but Adam Price's TWAW (apart from when he's looking for surrogates) has stopped me voting for them. As much as I admire Mark Drakeford, Labours TWAW stance repels me. There isn't one party in Wales that appeals to my feminist self (not voting Tory).

I mentioned this to a close friend and also mentioned the fact that it's only the Conservatives that seem to know what a woman is, and she went a bit berserk on me and made it clear that she saw this as a single issue not worth focusing on. She works for the stripped down Health Service so is staunchly anti-Tory. I have no intention of voting Tory but tried to point out that everyone else has gone a bit nuts for the woke vote.

I'm heart broken about Helen Mary Jones - I attended an early WPUK meeting which she chaired in Cardiff years ago - she has been forced to tow the line or lose her place.

Can us Welsh feminists get together to discuss please? We don't have much time!

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DicklessWonder Tue 04-May-21 23:14:50

Me too. I work for the NHS too. Right now I think I’ve more chance of getting on a flight to Mars than finding a political home or being pleasantly surprised at the next policy consultation at work.

Have never, ever not voted or spoiled my ballot paper and I really don’t want to now. sad

Cagedbirdsinging Tue 04-May-21 23:20:36

Noswaith dda i chi , BlackAlys . There's a thread about this very thing - posted by Merched Cymru . It's filling up with women like us, disenfranchised Plaid Cymru voters , who feel similarly sickened at the thought of voting for any and all of the others .
Come over and join us , I posted wine

HeraNow Tue 04-May-21 23:24:16

Not withstanding the politicians answer I had, i spoke to HMJ on the doorstep and I believe that she passionately cares for safeguarding and women rights. As a floating voter, I will be voting for the candidate that has a track record for speaking out in the past in the hope that as an AS she will have more opportunity to speak out in future.

OldCrone Wed 05-May-21 00:02:47

Link to the Merched Cymru thread
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4230592--SexInTheSenedd-Election-special

mejon Wed 05-May-21 10:48:13

I'm with you OP. I will not vote Conservative but cannot vote for any of the others due to their anti-women policies. The only one I may have voted for is Gwlad but they aren't standing in my constituency so I will be spoiling my ballot rather than not bothering to turn up at all.

My Plaid AM has confirmed support for the Merched Cymru question but the party as a whole is so entrenched in the TWAW belief that I don't think there's any chance that those with dissenting views will be listened to even if they are 'brave' enough to put their heads above the parapet. I know many are saying 'let's just vote them in, we can change from within afterwards' but I really have no confidence that this would happen and their proposals with regard devolving gender services etc. will be a done deal.

Lilyofthevalleys Wed 05-May-21 11:45:00

I’m thinking of spoiling my ballot. I am a floating voter, historically I have voted labour, Lib Dem and green. I would consider voting plaid also. I am in a swing seat, so much so that Starmer and Drakeford have been in my village canvassing (I was at work). I am trying to think of short but clear one liner for each party that makes my opinion clear to each of them. I am hopeful that as a tight swing seat spoilt ballots might actually get examined.

At the moment I have:
Plaid - Solidarity with Helen Mary Jones
Labour - #labourlosingwomen
Green -

Ideas welcome, diolch

SirVixofVixHall Wed 05-May-21 14:43:26

I was at that meeting that HMJ chaired too.
I feel she was bullied into making her statement/apology, but I don’t know her so can’t be sure.
My local Plaid candidate seems good, but as you say Adam Price using surrogates to get babies has really put me off voting Plaid, along with them wanting self id etc.
I think Plaid has been hijacked by a number of younger men for whom this is their agenda.
Obv can’t vote Labour either.
Have no idea what to do.

Berthatydfil Wed 05-May-21 15:11:30

I was at a WPUK meeting in Cardiff where HMJ spoke - we ended up in a school after the hotel cancelled the booking at short notice and I ended up giving a couple of women a lift to the new venue.
I can’t bring my self to vote for any of the mainstream parties so considering a spoiled ballot or protest vote.

SirVixofVixHall Wed 05-May-21 15:45:29

So three of us were at that meeting! It was really stressful needing to go into that school but a great atmosphere inside, the speakers were wonderful.

BlackAlys Wed 05-May-21 17:51:23

@SirVixofVixHall I've name changed so much but I've 'spoken' to you before about this meeting.

@Berthatydfil that may have been me! I had my red-haired niece with me - do you remember who you gave a lift to? That hour was nerve-wracking and chaotic. I often wonder what happened to the headteacher who allowed us his school. I hope he was left alone.

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BlackAlys Wed 05-May-21 17:53:09

...and Yes, HMJ was wonderful and fully pro-women. I'm saddened that someone of her experience, can be pressured for 'wrong-think'. I just hope she's playing the long game here and hasn't actually abandoned women.

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BlackAlys Wed 05-May-21 17:53:21

Thanks for the link!

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BlackAlys Wed 05-May-21 17:54:18

Cagedbirdsinging

Noswaith dda i chi , BlackAlys . There's a thread about this very thing - posted by Merched Cymru . It's filling up with women like us, disenfranchised Plaid Cymru voters , who feel similarly sickened at the thought of voting for any and all of the others .
Come over and join us , I posted wine


Diolch am hwn. Edrychai ar y linc reit nawr.

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Cagedbirdsinging Wed 05-May-21 18:46:57

Croeso , @BlackAlys .

Berthatydfil Wed 05-May-21 19:16:37

@BlackAlys I gave 3 people a lift in my little grey car. A single older woman who had come across in the train from England and a woman who was with younger woman relative - was that you ?

BlackAlys Wed 05-May-21 20:57:52

Berthatydfil

*@BlackAlys* I gave 3 people a lift in my little grey car. A single older woman who had come across in the train from England and a woman who was with younger woman relative - was that you ?


OMGOSH that was me!! 🤣
I remember the older lady with admiration. She'd travelled quite a distance!

I had to leave 10 minutes before the end as we grabbed a taxi back to the city centre to get my car and take my niece home.

I never had the chance to properly
Thank you until now. I was so grateful for that lift - having my niece with me made it a bit nerve-wracking.

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newnortherner111 Wed 05-May-21 21:02:25

Sympathy for you, sorry I cannot help. It is of little consolation that the same applies in England.

Berthatydfil Wed 05-May-21 21:06:43

Wow amazing - you’re welcome.

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