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BolloxtoGender Sat 13-Feb-21 17:31:23

...on a corporate social media page? Under the topics related to ‘pronouns’ and ‘gender neutral’ language which the woke brigade are advocating, to score attention seeking and social justice credentials?

It’s exhausting, and risky, engaging in any kind of direct discussions....so I thought sharing MN and leaving it there for people might be an idea?

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ErrolTheDragon Sat 13-Feb-21 17:39:03

Hm... if you just share a link to the top of the board then it's a bit random what will show up at the top of the list. If you share a link to specific threads, there's a depressing possibility they'll be deleted, or they'll be in the middle of an incursion by a community disrupter.

WeAreJackieWeaver Sat 13-Feb-21 17:40:55

You could share Barrakers wonderful post about pronouns. I think it’s on the Fair Play for Women website.

BolloxtoGender Sat 13-Feb-21 17:41:13

...ok....thanks...noted. Yes probably a bad idea. But was thinking about specific threads rather than the whole board.

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beargrass Sat 13-Feb-21 17:42:02

The trouble is that the threads don't stay static and they could be hard to follow if you're new.

BolloxtoGender Sat 13-Feb-21 17:42:38

@WeAreJackieWeaver thank you. I have also book marked the legal feminist article on pronouns. I will keep that one up my sleeve.

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BolloxtoGender Sat 13-Feb-21 17:46:23

@beargrass yes it’s a fast moving board, but if people are genuinely interested to ‘listen and learn’, ‘do better’ and ‘educate themselves’, it’s also a very fast moving, topical board watch they could dip in and out of based on their interest.

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BolloxtoGender Sat 13-Feb-21 17:46:49

Which not watch

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gardenbird48 Sat 13-Feb-21 17:50:11

a tricky one - Errol makes a good point about the randomness of whichever threads are showing although many are likely to be relevant to your message.

It depends a little on the company and whether you are putting yourself at any risk by openly stating a position - many women (and men) feel that they can't say anything because it may harm their careers/employment. I would love to say yes, great idea but I can't advocate for anything that may put you out of a job.

Are there any ways you can challenge things at source by writing to HR depts for eg - there are some great threads on here explaining how companies may be putting themselves at risk of action against them for discrimination with certain policies (mixed sex toilets etc) and holding non-essential data on employees (GDPR) etc. and you can always ask on here for guidance/arguments on specific issues.

this is a helpful article - I'm afraid it doesn't help with your corporate sm issue but might be helpful for you addressing it at management level.

legalfeminist.org.uk/2021/02/01/submission-and-compliance/#comment-1256

Flamingolingo Mon 15-Feb-21 16:29:08

I would find this very difficult. I don’t think I could ‘out’ myself at work in this way, despite being someone with strong feminist views who does air them in meetings and on Yammer. A colleague and I had a very veiled discussion about pronouns recently and I was overjoyed. I like her enormously, and it was good to know we had aligned views. But although we work closely neither of us could go much further than establish a shared positioning having ‘strong views’ on pronouns. I’m not sure I could publicly state this on Yammer or similar...

BolloxtoGender Mon 15-Feb-21 18:35:28

@FlamingolingoYes the risk of outing is real. I don't think I will TBH.
I have not been directly confrontational with this stuff. I have been holding my tongue many a times. But I have made comments about how language is important for accurately describing reality, in the context of those advocating for 'gender neutral' language. Those who know about the issues would know what I'm talking about. To those who don't, my comments still ring true. So it's in plain sight, and veiled iyswim. People cannot argue with my comments overly 'hot' (and they haven't done), because they would end up outing themselves. Only a dog hears a dog whistle afterall.

Gosh, this does feel like some coded communications in the supermarket a la The Handmaid's Tale....

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