The Feminist Library Has Fallen

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WootMoggie Thu 28-Jan-21 14:06:29

...apparently you are not welcome if you believe that trans people present even a mere ‘complication’ to women’s rights.

Oh - and you’re not allowed to discuss this either.

feministlibrary.co.uk/statement-on-transphobia-and-accountability/

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Daca Wed 03-Feb-21 20:56:43

Another take on the whole debacle:
theblisteringrebuttal.substack.com/p/holding-the-fauxminist-library-accountable

Abhannmor Tue 02-Feb-21 16:51:39

sleepyhead

"We believe we can record and preserve the discourse around oppression and the struggle for rights without including literature that is published with the intent to cause harm. We are developing a Collection Development Policy that includes a commitment to critically reflecting on our methods and the systems we use and will make this publicly available."

Who will decide what was published with the intent to cause harm? Hmm.

Whenever you see the word 'around ' in these statements you know it's all lies and evasion. In my experience anyway.

Daca Tue 02-Feb-21 15:45:35

Nice article ICYMI

thecritic.co.uk/why-is-the-feminist-library-erasing-women/?fbclid=IwAR1ddsTws0BDBlHYryl7zHNSEbFhP4v0Ej8WAryaVmjYIAVgh9eSRK5_lI4

MaudTheInvincible Tue 02-Feb-21 15:16:52

The hashtag #OurFeministLibrary by FiLiA in response to the authoritarian paternalist position taken by The (anti)feminist Library is a thing of beauty and full of treasure!

nepeta Sun 31-Jan-21 20:33:34

ThePonderer

*Even if it weren’t bloody obvious what the root of women’s oppression is, why wouldn’t you attempt to find the cause?*

I agree, it's amazing.

Analysis is out; you must believe.

The other night I was thinking how being kind and inclusive or at least being seen as kind and inclusive and on the right side of history is driving the erasure of our ability to fight against sex-based oppression and sexism.

It is informative about the reasons why women got to be second-class citizens to begin with. One really must fight for one's rights.

ThePonderer Sun 31-Jan-21 20:14:48

Even if it weren’t bloody obvious what the root of women’s oppression is, why wouldn’t you attempt to find the cause?

I agree, it's amazing.

Analysis is out; you must believe.

jellyfrizz Sun 31-Jan-21 08:06:39

ThePonderer

*we believe that there is not a singular, universal origin point for all women’s oppression across the globe nor should we attempt to find one*

What's the point of feminism then? That means we're just a disparate group of people who are having bad experiences which we want to change.

No way to define us. No problems in common. No solutions which will apply to us all.

How could anybody benefit from visiting this library?

I honestly can’t get over that statement.
Even if it weren’t bloody obvious what the root of women’s oppression is, why wouldn’t you attempt to find the cause?

FireUnderTheHand Sun 31-Jan-21 03:44:45

Feminist Library...

Fuck you, you fucking cowardly traitors.

EvenleyWitch Sun 31-Jan-21 01:50:23

katmarie

Surely the point of libraries is to provide literature and materials which allow people to learn and discover. I have never met a librarian yet who would willingly remove books from a library's collection, most librarians want to share knowledge and help people discover new perspectives, surely. To restrict materials or access to them based on an ideology feels like it goes against some kind of librarians code or something. Which just tells me that this isn't about running a library, it's about making a point.


Indeed
Incredible isn't it?

EvenleyWitch Sun 31-Jan-21 01:48:41

Laurank

Good point @Daca about TRA posturing being 'political theatre' when FL isn't even open anyway. There is something about indefinite LD, with its keyboard warrior-ism and impossibility of IRL resolution, that just seems to encourage extreme sabre rattling like this.
It makes me wonder what it would be like, when it reopens, to visit, perhaps with a few women, to see what it's like, chat to the collective. And to see whether (or how) they'd eject us if we ventured a GC opinion.


I'm up for that. Very interested.

nepeta Sat 30-Jan-21 22:19:57

Ftumch

*we believe that there is not a singular, universal origin point for all women’s oppression across the globe nor should we attempt to find one*

This is MRA speak. It's the polar opposite of feminism!

Indeed.

It is also nonsensical. Women are oppressed, to begin with, because women are smaller and weaker than men and because women have the ability to create the next generation. If you ignore biology then of course you will be unable to see the universal origin of women's oppression. Because it is in biology, but then spread into general sexism and misogyny.

katmarie Sat 30-Jan-21 22:14:14

Surely the point of libraries is to provide literature and materials which allow people to learn and discover. I have never met a librarian yet who would willingly remove books from a library's collection, most librarians want to share knowledge and help people discover new perspectives, surely. To restrict materials or access to them based on an ideology feels like it goes against some kind of librarians code or something. Which just tells me that this isn't about running a library, it's about making a point.

SmallPug Sat 30-Jan-21 21:51:56

That’s what I want to know @Thelnebriati. It’s pretty concerning. Why put a statement out now when no one can go? Also, nothing wrong with them having a collection of feminist literature that covers all different kinds of feminism, including trans feminism and radical feminism and just being a library! Letting anyone come and read the literature and - Oo, I don’t know - having their own thoughts!

Thelnebriati Sat 30-Jan-21 20:10:38

I want to rephrase that - what will they do with the material they dont like?

Thelnebriati Sat 30-Jan-21 20:10:01

What will happen to the material they dont like?

Ftumch Sat 30-Jan-21 19:42:10

we believe that there is not a singular, universal origin point for all women’s oppression across the globe nor should we attempt to find one

This is MRA speak. It's the polar opposite of feminism!

ThePonderer Sat 30-Jan-21 19:33:42

we believe that there is not a singular, universal origin point for all women’s oppression across the globe nor should we attempt to find one

What's the point of feminism then? That means we're just a disparate group of people who are having bad experiences which we want to change.

No way to define us. No problems in common. No solutions which will apply to us all.

How could anybody benefit from visiting this library?

Daca Sat 30-Jan-21 16:10:24

Occupy ... the Feminist Library grin

Laurank Sat 30-Jan-21 14:53:22

Good point @Daca about TRA posturing being 'political theatre' when FL isn't even open anyway. There is something about indefinite LD, with its keyboard warrior-ism and impossibility of IRL resolution, that just seems to encourage extreme sabre rattling like this.
It makes me wonder what it would be like, when it reopens, to visit, perhaps with a few women, to see what it's like, chat to the collective. And to see whether (or how) they'd eject us if we ventured a GC opinion.

Flapjak Sat 30-Jan-21 14:33:41

Does this mean they wont be holding any books that dont agree that trans wo'men' are women? Sex is constructed? Like to see how it can be deconstructed without the help of surgery and hormones 🤣

dawejoke Sat 30-Jan-21 14:19:10

OH and think someone praised the LSE (sic) Women's Library. Actually the Women's Library was a purpose designed building in Whitechapel with a cafe, reading rooms, welcome for kids, used by loads of local organisations, wonderful exhibitions, circular meeting room. It was BRILLIANT!! THen London Met: the freeholder decided they would rather like the space for themselves and did a sneaky deal giving all the materials to LSE. Who dont allow children under 12, charge to visit on occasion, keep most of the stuff hidden away in a basement. We mounted a huge campaign with major national and international figures supporting us. But LOST. Tragedy. This was the impetus for setting up www.roomsofourown.org.uk

SmallPug Sat 30-Jan-21 12:40:59

I agree. Can we do something? They are a charity and haven’t reported their finances, so there is that issue. Then there’s the idea of people who don’t share their views ‘not being welcome’ - surely that’s against what libraries and charities stand for? Then there’s the books and materials themselves - how do we ensure they’re not lost?

dawejoke Sat 30-Jan-21 12:22:04

Absolutely appalled that second wave feminists who collected, donated, volunteered, campaigned, preserved, catalogued and often WROTE these materials are having all their work destroyed by women who believe men can turn into women. It is like the destruction of the library at Alexandria. Wondering if we can offer to take all the dreadful feminist literature that they dont want and make a new Feminist Library!!! This has been coming a long time mind, and we are all terrified of speaking out about it.

Lynnikins Sat 30-Jan-21 11:59:12

A truth known to anthropologists & archaeologists..

SmallPug Sat 30-Jan-21 10:11:25

Not just our daughters! Important that boys also understand the importance of facts, biology etc.

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