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Phil Spector was "talented but flawed"

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EmmaGrundyForPM Sun 17-Jan-21 20:32:09

According to the BBC news website, Phil Spector was "talented but flawed".

This is the Phil Spector who abused his wife for years, pulled guns on women who refused his advances, and murdered a woman he had met in a nightclub a few hours earlier.

The BBC have now amended the website but clearly one of their staff felt that murder and abuse of women is merely a character flaw.

I am fed up to the back teeth with crimes of misogyny being minimised. Anyone else?

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AyrshireAmbler49 Sun 17-Jan-21 20:35:30

A talented murderer ahhh.
Whatever next- a charismatic paedophile? A loveable rapist?

Babdoc Sun 17-Jan-21 20:35:44

So Harold Shipman was just a talented but flawed doctor, according to the BBC, right?

Angryresister Sun 17-Jan-21 20:38:36

Yes , they seemed to be much more interested in his genius...the women weren’t really worth mentioning.

EmmaGrundyForPM Sun 17-Jan-21 20:38:53

Exactly.
Fred West - talented but flawed landscape Gardner?
Jimmy Savile - talented but flawed entertainer?

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Ereshkigalangcleg Sun 17-Jan-21 20:39:45

Jimmy Savile - talented but flawed entertainer?

TBF the BBC probably do think that.

wellthatsunusual Sun 17-Jan-21 20:40:33

Ah yes, flawed, that's all murder is, a wee minor character flaws, a sidenote. angry

CreamFacedLoon Sun 17-Jan-21 20:41:54

I like to think I’m not easily shocked but my jaw literally dropped when I read that headline.

wellthatsunusual Sun 17-Jan-21 20:45:28

I mean, he was talented and I think it's fair to note how he changed the sound of popular music, it's not really possible to just overlook that. But flawed? That's an understatement of the highest order.

EmmaGrundyForPM Sun 17-Jan-21 20:48:50

wellthatsunusual

I mean, he was talented and I think it's fair to note how he changed the sound of popular music, it's not really possible to just overlook that. But flawed? That's an understatement of the highest order.

I'm.not arguing with the fact he was a very talented music producer!

Its the relegating of murder to a "flaw". Especially as it then came out that he had done some truly appalling things to other women.

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thebestnamehere Sun 17-Jan-21 20:49:19

Phil Spectre

wellthatsunusual Sun 17-Jan-21 21:05:54

I'm.not arguing with the fact he was a very talented music producer!

Its the relegating of murder to a "flaw". Especially as it then came out that he had done some truly appalling things to other women.

I know you weren't. I agree, flaw is ridiculous.

nocoolnamesleft Sun 17-Jan-21 21:09:15

Was just coming to see if there was a thread. The coverage all seems to be about his talent, and fuck all about his victim.

EmmaGrundyForPM Sun 17-Jan-21 22:03:23

nocoolnamesleft

Was just coming to see if there was a thread. The coverage all seems to be about his talent, and fuck all about his victim.

or victims. He's been an abuser of women for many years.

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Betheanne Sun 17-Jan-21 22:06:46

This is the day to take a moment to remember Lana.

SunsetBeetch Sun 17-Jan-21 22:16:07

I once listened to a Podcast about Lana's murder and they played his phone call to the police. He couldn't have given less of a shit about her, in fact he seemed to be blaming her; it was chilling.

He was scum

SorryAuntLydia Mon 18-Jan-21 09:29:35

I see your ‘flawed’ and I raise you marred. Thanks Rolling Stone magazine hmm

Some terrible woman inconveniently allowing herself to be murdered, spoilt the great man’s reputation. angry

I guess I shouldn’t be surprised by Rolling Stone seeing as the current cover is a pornified photo of a talented female artiste.

Triphazards Mon 18-Jan-21 09:34:45

Spector Dead- Few Tears Shed.

Better headline?

Babdoc Mon 18-Jan-21 15:13:18

Check out today’s Times. Much, much, better article and obituary.
More emphasis on the murder and his abusive behaviour, and they comment directly on criticism of the BBC’s “ talented but flawed” statement. His musical achievements are almost given as an incidental!

EmmaGrundyForPM Mon 18-Jan-21 16:03:27

SorryAuntLydia

I see your ‘flawed’ and I raise you marred. Thanks Rolling Stone magazine hmm

Some terrible woman inconveniently allowing herself to be murdered, spoilt the great man’s reputation. angry

I guess I shouldn’t be surprised by Rolling Stone seeing as the current cover is a pornified photo of a talented female artiste.

Oh god that's even worse!

Marred???? That bloody inconvenience murder conviction getting in the way of a great career.

I despair

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boatyardblues Mon 18-Jan-21 16:55:50

Will Gomperz’s interview on Today is worth a listen. He was at pains to say he was a horrible person despite being a great producer. WG gave examples of his awful behaviour, at which point I couldn’t understand why he was being celebrated. He sounded absolutely vile and dangerous. It did smack of the BBC frantically back-peddling in response to yesterday’s criticism.

LittleRa Mon 18-Jan-21 16:59:41

thebestnamehere

Phil Spectre

No, the OP is correct, it’s Spector

wellthatsunusual Mon 18-Jan-21 18:14:49

this headline is a bit better I thought

LittleRa Mon 18-Jan-21 18:52:18

wellthatsunusual

this headline is a bit better I thought

Much better- as the BBC one has been changed to “Pop producer jailed for murder dies at 81”.
‘Person jailed for murder” is differed to “murderer”.
So the one you’ve linked to is much clearer, plus names his victim.

ArabellaScott Mon 18-Jan-21 19:11:39

www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-55702855

BBC has apologised.

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