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Feminism: Sex & gender discussions

17 year old kills mother details

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Tootsweets23 · 14/12/2020 18:18

There is an awfully grim story about a 17 year old boy who strangled and murdered his mother in the Times.

It is all awful, however the details on his gender issues and mental health are worth noting. He was born Ben, had mental health issues including being suicidal and depression, declared himself genderless plus there is a suggestion of autism.

The father says he was in a mental health unit which segregated boys and girls which made his gender identity issues worse. He doesn't say if he expected his son to be in a mixed unit or in with girls - either would have put the girls' needs second to his needs.

He was due to stand trial in October but killed himself four days before.

So grim, the poor woman.

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/teenager-rowan-thompson-asked-police-to-bring-a-body-bag-after-stabbing-mother-ksj3kq52x

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NotTerfNorCis · 14/12/2020 18:31

It looks like many people struggling with mental health issues express it through gender experimentation.

I know such a case personally. Luckily mild issues. He 'detransitioned' after having identified as a woman for 2 years, taken hormones and pushed for surgery.

Circusoflove · 14/12/2020 18:34

Will this go down as a trans related child suicide of the type that Mermaids say happen in significant numbers?

Mrsmorton · 14/12/2020 18:37

I came on to see if this had been posted. Clearly a deeply unwell child.

willien · 14/12/2020 18:41

Stabbed her 188 times, Jesus. That is so chilling

willien · 14/12/2020 18:41

118 sorry

NiceGerbil · 14/12/2020 18:44

Oh goda horrendous story

I can't read the whole article. Were authorities aware of the level of threat he presented? Has something been missed that would have prevented this?

happydappy2 · 14/12/2020 19:00

Another terrible example that children suffering with gender confusion often have other issues as well. When will we start being honest with children and give them mental health support, rather than experimental hormone treatments? He was clearly extremely unwell.

HollowTalk · 14/12/2020 19:04

I always wonder whether the woman in a situation like that was on MN. She said to a friend she was walking on eggshells all the time - it sounds as though she'd be asking for advice on a forum when her child has so many problems.

Flaxmeadow · 14/12/2020 19:10

I can't read the whole article..

It's in the Mail as well, full article

Private school pupil, 17, killed his mother by stabbing her 118 times www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9051247/Private-school-pupil-killed-mother-dialling-999-tell-police-arrest-him.html?ito=native_share_article-masthead

SonjaMorgan · 14/12/2020 19:10

How much research has been done on the relationship between autism and gender confusion?

I am concerned that many mental health issues will be missed in those wanting to transition or having issues with their gender due to health professionals not wanting to be labelled as transphobic.

FWRLurker · 14/12/2020 19:36

My husband identified as trans and transitioned for 2 years before desisting because of mental health issues. Fortunately he wouldn’t hurt a fly, his issues are all self directed.

I don’t think the “anyone who doesn’t validate you is committing violence and therefore deserves violence” rhetoric is helpful Though.

HighHeelBoots · 14/12/2020 19:53

Years ago I worked in an acute mental health unit. Cross dressing was common amongst our service users, well the male ones. Sometimes it was just cross dressing, others had an alter ego some had the delusion they were someone else. We also had adult babies and those who fetishished wearing/soiling nappies
Its never mentioned now in relation to MH issues. All had had trauma in the past and the treatment was talking therapies alongside medication, depending on the diagnosis of course. Some hated women particularly their mothers
We now, in general society, have to pretend this doesn't exist for fear of upsetting the ideology, or that's how it seems to me

irishfeminist · 14/12/2020 20:16

Look how the Guardian reports it. Dishonest as ever. "They"

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/dec/14/teenager-stabbed-mother-more-than-100-times-inquest-told

NiceGerbil · 14/12/2020 20:20

The father feel feels the child was failed by authorities.

If things have been missed that could have prevented this I hope they come out.

NiceGerbil · 14/12/2020 20:21

I really think there's a lot going on here and I'm not sure why the papers are all highlighting the non binary identity.

irishfeminist · 14/12/2020 20:24

Yes, absolutely. It's a horribly sad account of someone who was severely mentally ill. The violence followed a male pattern though, and obfuscating the murderer's sex like the Guardian did, was wrong. No other news outlet did.

Emeeno1 · 14/12/2020 20:24

'I always wonder whether the woman in a situation like that was on MN. She said to a friend she was walking on eggshells all the time - it sounds as though she'd be asking for advice on a forum when her child has so many problems.'

Interesting considering there is a mum on here tonight asking if she should send her daughter back to university (safe, secure) because her daughter has been telling her to fuck off, calling her a cunt, and buying alcohol for her 13 year old brother and letting him drink it in her bedroom and a lot of posters are telling the mum she is being unreasonable. And that it is basically her fault.

How the fuck did we get here? If that poor mother came here looking for help she would probably have gone away feeling worse.

Grellbunt · 14/12/2020 21:02

Those quotes sound very odd, childlike. As if he had a learning difficulty. Doesn't add up.

OneEpisode · 14/12/2020 21:03

So sad that I will never meet Joanna. The news reports are around the inquest into her death.
It seems the reporting on Rowan’s death might be more pertinent. This family was clearly let down by mental health services.

StillAHarpie · 14/12/2020 21:53

Horrific, i find it disturbing how many mothers are killed by their sons

elgreco · 14/12/2020 22:18

I was talking about this to my husband. I asked him why do disturbed sons nearly always kill their mothers rather than fathers? He replied that the fathers had probably fucked off already. Its just not fair.

EmbarrassingAdmissions · 14/12/2020 22:39

It's a tragedy on so many levels. I hope that something useful emerges from the enquiry into Rowan's death and highlights useful service improvements for young people and their parents/families.

ClarenceBoddicker · 15/12/2020 03:05

Pretty horrific case. Read this in the Daily Mail originally. Then the Guardian. Whilst both were mindful to the legal implications i despaired at the Guardian version which seemed to deliberately just miss out certain factors which I consider to be relevant rather than just incidental

ClarenceBoddicker · 15/12/2020 03:06

Guardian says son kills mum. That’s it

ClarenceBoddicker · 15/12/2020 03:21

Elecro seems to have been fooled by the self restricted reporting. Not a dig at them but the press unless they agree with the definitions of the parties involved such as son. Legalities still apply however

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