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Jeremy Vine show is discussing Keira Bell's case today

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Destinysdaughter Wed 02-Dec-20 12:08:27

Will be on at around 1 on R2. Should be interesting...

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Destinysdaughter Wed 02-Dec-20 12:09:04

Bell not Ball!

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NancyDrawed Wed 02-Dec-20 12:42:44

I will be interested to see how JV plays this. I suspect I may end up shouting at the radio, though!

There is something very odd in the way he talks to transwomen, he uses a special soft voice and is very fawning. I imagine if they have any callers on they will be transwomen rather than detransitioners

ItsAllGoingToBeFine Wed 02-Dec-20 12:59:29

I suspect I may end up shouting at the radio, though!

That goes without saying. I cannot listen to the man he just makes me so angry. Radio version of clickbait.

Lordamighty Wed 02-Dec-20 13:02:59

he uses a special soft voice and is very fawning

As soon as we hear the “voice” the radio goes off.

Destinysdaughter Wed 02-Dec-20 13:07:51

He can't dispute a court judgement tho...

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ItsAllGoingToBeFine Wed 02-Dec-20 13:08:37

He can't dispute a court judgement tho...

Pretty sure he'll try.

Destinysdaughter Wed 02-Dec-20 13:11:02

Hannah Barnes from Newsnight is on

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DrDavidBanner Wed 02-Dec-20 13:18:39

I'll let you guys suffer this on my behalf, I can't stand the man. At least his brother knows hes an idiot.

Destinysdaughter Wed 02-Dec-20 13:20:43

Interestingly he's actually letting his guests talk.

And now we have Susie Green!

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JamieLeeCurtains Wed 02-Dec-20 13:21:06

I can't be doing with The Special Voice either.

Lowhum Wed 02-Dec-20 13:22:20

Are they taking listeners calls on this?

yourhairiswinterfire Wed 02-Dec-20 13:23:23

Susie Green having the nerve to say ''that is not a good enough argument'' to someone. hmm

nauticant Wed 02-Dec-20 13:23:31

I'm lucky not to have had much exposure to Jeremy Vine but it looks like he's realised that "oh, kittens are nice" isn't quite going to cut it over the Keira Bell decision.

MaudTheInvincible Wed 02-Dec-20 13:24:30

yourhairiswinterfire

Susie Green having the nerve to say ''that is not a good enough argument'' to someone. hmm



fshockfangry

singwhenyourewinningyouonly Wed 02-Dec-20 13:24:43

SG is unravelling. Even Jeremy Vine has not time for her.

Tierful Wed 02-Dec-20 13:25:21

Coming here for the commentary, cannot stand the fawning and ignorance

Chrysanthemum5 Wed 02-Dec-20 13:26:16

Just caught the end of Susie Green - she is not giving up on her belief that puberty blockers prevent suicide and are not different in this context to when used for precoscious pubery

refusetobeasheep Wed 02-Dec-20 13:26:29

Susie trying to pretend it's purely because it's off label ... wish someone would clearly highlight the shocking lack of research for stopping puberty completely (unlike precocious puberty) and that virtually ALL go onto cross sex hormones ...

refusetobeasheep Wed 02-Dec-20 13:27:34

Far less respect was shown to Susie than pre this judgement!

persistentwoman Wed 02-Dec-20 13:27:52

Broadcasters have got to be careful. The court has determined that children are being treated with experimental drugs before they are old enough to consent to the harm these drugs will do to their bodies and that courts should have oversight to determine that children are protected. So to argue that children shouldn't have this protection is a pretty extreme view to take,

nauticant Wed 02-Dec-20 13:28:49

Oh, it's the inevitable transwoman who didn't undergo the treatments themself but thinks that children definitely should go through them.

MichelleofzeResistance Wed 02-Dec-20 13:31:44

Susie Green, to judge who has just objectively fact and evidenced checked the experts to whom Green sends families: 'that's not a good enough argument'.

About what fgs? The judge was asked to objectively evaluate the evidence of the Tavistock's practice. They did. The conclusions are that the Tavistock must immediately change the way they work to be in keeping with the law. And that this is serious enough that they didn't grandfather any of it and say kids on blockers keep going but no new prescriptions: it looks like every child on blockers will now need an objective court eye to what is happening for them to ensure they are properly protected.

What has any of this to do with Green?

Mermaids offer to give information to the review was rejected since the judge was looking for facts and evidence of Tavistock's practice and beliefs, and what Mermaids was offering was a lot of feelings and anecdotes and individual stories - three of which had been provided anyway as examples by the Tavistock, the experts.

Mermaids is a parents' support and advice group who should right now be thinking very seriously about the fact that they've been funnelling families into the Tavistock where those children have - according to the facts established by the judge from the Tavistock's own evidence - have been treated in a way incompatible with the law. They are now going to need to support those families to deal with this awful situation that they have children in the middle of treatment that is questionable to the point it may have to stop.

Green's opinion that they know better than the judge and the law is neither here nor there, and in the light of the objectively established facts, is not making Mermaids look too good.

yourhairiswinterfire Wed 02-Dec-20 13:32:01

refusetobeasheep

Susie trying to pretend it's purely because it's off label ... wish someone would clearly highlight the shocking lack of research for stopping puberty completely (unlike precocious puberty) and that virtually ALL go onto cross sex hormones ...

Exactly.

It's the beginning of transition. So not a pause at all. Children are consenting to the beginning of a transition, to cross sex hormones, to irreversible changes. All adult decisions. I think this needs to be hammered home harder.

yourhairiswinterfire Wed 02-Dec-20 13:33:18

"No one is saying kids are born in the wrong body."

JV: "Wouldn't you do the same if you were born in the wrong body?" 🤦‍♀️

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