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Abigail Shriver book - article in the Times

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highame Sat 21-Nov-20 07:56:31

Sorry I don't have a share token. Anyone? The comments are very good and very supportive. A lot of criticism of academia and about time. Grace Lavery features of course. US is now breaking ranks and the comment from Obama is interesting

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Sometimesonly Sat 21-Nov-20 08:02:45

(Off topic but I can't work out how to do share tokens! Anybody know?)

highame Sat 21-Nov-20 08:03:54

I've tried to find out but Times call centre staff don't seem to know either

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Molamola Sat 21-Nov-20 08:16:57

Here you go:

Igneococcus Sat 21-Nov-20 08:19:48

I can't do share tokens from my tablet but from my phone and both computers I use.

Awrite Sat 21-Nov-20 08:30:05

Thanks for the share token. Interesting article, great comments.

whyohwho Sat 21-Nov-20 08:32:10

What was the Obama comment? Thanks

boatyardblues Sat 21-Nov-20 08:34:19

There’s an on point comment article about being vs performing too.

Newwayofthinking Sat 21-Nov-20 08:34:48

This be made me roll my eyes.....assigned at birth, it observed at birth

rogdmum Sat 21-Nov-20 08:38:30

I mostly want to know who Jo March is. She is always so incredibly articulate. I would like to send her flowers/buy her a drink/whatever. grin

SophocIestheFox Sat 21-Nov-20 08:45:37

Grave Lavery is certainly an interesting character. As is Chase Strangio. Worth a google.

What was the Obama comment, I missed that?

highame Sat 21-Nov-20 08:50:33

As Obama has stated, ‘the woke generation have formed a circular firing squad and are shooting each other’.

The rise and fall grin

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whyohwho Sat 21-Nov-20 08:53:59

Thank you !

kesstrel Sat 21-Nov-20 09:04:15

I loved Grace Lavery criticising GC people for taking her statement about burning the book literally, while then immediately going on to treat the image on the cover of the book as if it is a literal claim.....hmm Hopefully Times readers will be astute enough to pick up the hypocrisy.

Winesalot Sat 21-Nov-20 09:05:11

It is amazing to see the reaction to this book. It is like the furore about Troubled blood. It is the Streisand effect that keeps going.

Transpeople keep trying to get it banned, stating (or shouting) that it is full of lies .... yet I have not seen one person discredi the reports mentioned in it successfully. And I have seen not one of the people the chosen case studies reference come forward to say they have been misrepresented....

Yet, we have been told by the males who post on FWR that the book is full of lies and I doubt they have even read it. These are also posters who advocate for affirming only treatments including medicalisation for under 18‘s despite their lack of acknowledgement that the majority of that age group is female and the effects of medicalised transition for them has higher risk and irreversible consequences. Consequences they wave away as acceptable from their positions of having had children and a sex life and as males who transitioned as adults and often as mature adults. Ie they have no experience as teenage girls going through the difficulties associated with puberty, sexism or the specific mental health issues unique to the teenage girls of today.

So many people don’t want this issue explored so that our children and teens have access to the best treatment options FOR THEM. Not what some mature males would have liked available for when they themselves were teenagers because that is only relevant to a diminishing portion of those seeking help now.

I always ask just who benefits from this shutting down of discussion.

The answers I come up with are never the children and teens.....

And I would like one of those mature male posters to state exactly what lies are told in this book they have tried to discredit.... any takers?

mollscroll Sat 21-Nov-20 09:17:26

I hadn’t heard of Grace Lavery and thought that picture was a curious one for an academic to use so I looked them up. Well would you ever ...

Winesalot Sat 21-Nov-20 09:18:47

Lavery is very vocal on twatter. Very vocal indeed.

Collidascope Sat 21-Nov-20 09:38:26

It's on Audible. I might download that today.

VictoriaLucas102 Sat 21-Nov-20 09:38:31


I hadn’t heard of Grace Lavery and thought that picture was a curious one for an academic to use so I looked them up. Well would you ever ...

Very curious. Honestly don’t think many people would take me seriously if I used a similar image ... amazing what they can get away with isn’t it?

DaisiesandButtercups Sat 21-Nov-20 09:52:11

The comments underneath this article are really fantastic, they are really getting to the point.

I like the very reasonable commenter who was peaked by asking reasonable questions and getting the typical responses we have come to expect.

Jo March is not on Twitter she says but the issue arrived in her work place. I wonder what she does for a living...

persistentwoman Sat 21-Nov-20 09:55:25


Share tokens - look for the little black envelope under the headline / photo at the top. Click on it and it takes you to a blank email with a link inserted. Copy and paste the link - that's your share token

StandUpStraight Sat 21-Nov-20 10:01:24

Rolled my eyes at the paragraph: “However, the book was titled Irreversible Damage: The Transgender Craze Seducing Our Daughters and it features on its cover a picture of a young girl with her belly removed.”

Comments are good. Seems that Disgusted of Manchester hasn’t found the article yet. Suspect he doesn’t read the world news section...

kesstrel Sat 21-Nov-20 10:11:40

I wonder if Lavery even realises that testosterone removes female fertility after a few years, with no surgery required? And that nearly 100% of prepubescent kids given puberty blockers go on to cross--sex hormones? Because that's how I understand the image on the front of the book.

Of course, male-born people who transition after puberty can just use a sperm bank, if they want to preserve their fertility. So why should they care, or bother to inform themselves about what the situation is for females?

Sometimesonly Sat 21-Nov-20 10:28:13

@persistentwoman Thanks!

FannyCann Sat 21-Nov-20 10:29:14

Just picked up the copy I ordered yesterday. Cost rather a lot but I refuse to use Amazon or give Waterstones the business when they have basically blacklisted it but can order it in, so my local independent book shop had to get it from USA whilst explaining the extent of the censorship going on with the book to me.
It looks really good, just need to crack on and finish Troubled Blood and get stuck in.

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