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Labour MP Fleur Anderson saying TWAW, change must happen and be kind

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WarriorsComeOutToPlayay Wed 18-Nov-20 14:47:26

Ironically her next tweet is about anti bullying says "it's ok to be different" (which of course it is).

So according to Fleur 'difference' is good, apart from when it relates to the fact that transwomen and women are different.

I'm all for her message that transgender people should not be discriminated against but pretending they are something they are not and losing the true definition of women as a group, that I can't get on board with.

I am lifelong Labour but can't vote for this. When is Keir Starmer going to get off the fence?

twitter.com/PutneyFleur/status/1328363248077443072

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RealityNotEssentialism Wed 18-Nov-20 14:54:21

Order confirmed!

Hi Fleur

Thank you for your order. We can confirm that your shipment of woke male approval has now been dispatched and should be with you shortly.

SunsetBeetch Wed 18-Nov-20 15:05:30

Oh feurk off, Fleur.

MrsMiaWallis Wed 18-Nov-20 15:07:07

"Noone should live in fear"

Except you old cis feminists

MrsMiaWallis Wed 18-Nov-20 15:07:22

(Is the subtext)

RealityNotEssentialism Wed 18-Nov-20 15:08:02

Yeah, how about the women in prison or homeless shelters? Is it okay for them to live in fear?

Imnobody4 Wed 18-Nov-20 15:09:57

And she's quoting that recent survey by Galop. Bet she relies on Wikipedia too.

Helmetbymidnight Wed 18-Nov-20 15:11:47

There's no excuse for this crap now.

A couple of years ago, maybe, but c'mon. This woman is just thick.

WarriorsComeOutToPlayay Wed 18-Nov-20 15:12:04

I actually wrote to Fleur when Rosie Duffield was getting abuse and below is a extract of her reply. She's 100% woke.

There is no conflict between trans women’s rights and cis women’s rights – both groups are harmed by structural misogyny. Women’s rights do not become meaningless when our politics recognises that trans women are women. I think that trans women are women and should therefore have the protections afforded to women – albeit that they may have an additional risk of discrimination. This does not detract from women’s rights as is sometimes characterised.

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DialSquare Wed 18-Nov-20 15:18:55

Why are TWAW mantra shouters not embarrassed? I cringe for them. They would all go into the spider's parlour wouldn't they.

HecatesCats Wed 18-Nov-20 15:21:49

Lots of people have written to me about trans rights from a whole variety of views. I engage honestly but clearly and welcome this conversation.

^This is how change happens, and change must happen.

Let’s just be kind^

This is completely incoherent

LajesticVantrashell Wed 18-Nov-20 15:25:22

At what point though? At what point to transwomen become women?? At the literal point of identification?? So Pip/Phillip Bunce is a woman? Except on the days he/she isn’t?!

LajesticVantrashell Wed 18-Nov-20 15:25:54

*do

MoreJammyDodgersPlease Wed 18-Nov-20 15:38:34

I believe Putney was the only constituency in the last election to switch from Conservative to Labour. (The Conservative candidate was truly woeful, the Lib Dem campaign was bizarre).
I voted for Fleur despite many concerns about the Labour party. I think this is the first time I've seen comments from her on this issue, and now there's really no one to vote for.

RealityNotEssentialism Wed 18-Nov-20 15:40:35

LajesticVantrashell

At what point though? At what point to transwomen become women?? At the literal point of identification?? So Pip/Phillip Bunce is a woman? Except on the days he/she isn’t?!

Exactly. While there is an argument for it happening when someone has irreversible genital surgery and obtains a GRC, if you suggest that, you get shouted down as hateful because being trans has nothing to do with genitals. And then you’re in a ludicrous situation where someone is a man on Monday and therefore has privilege and cannot be in female spaces but then on Tuesday says he is a woman and must be welcomed in and is suddenly hugely oppressed. I can’t see how any rational sane person can’t see this is utter idiocy and totally illogical.

BlueCatRedCat Wed 18-Nov-20 15:41:44

Stupid, misogynistic and wilfully dishonest. No new surprises from Labour, then.

FamilyOfAliens Wed 18-Nov-20 15:45:47

While there is an argument for it happening when someone has irreversible genital surgery and obtains a GRC, if you suggest that, you get shouted down as hateful because being trans has nothing to do with genitals.

There’s an argument that a legal fiction has been created. Humans cannot change sex. Not now, not ever.

RealityNotEssentialism Wed 18-Nov-20 15:48:11

FamilyOfAliens

*While there is an argument for it happening when someone has irreversible genital surgery and obtains a GRC, if you suggest that, you get shouted down as hateful because being trans has nothing to do with genitals.*

There’s an argument that a legal fiction has been created. Humans cannot change sex. Not now, not ever.

Yeah I know they can’t literally change sex but we have law that says they can for legal purposes and that’s not going to change. At least with surgical requirements there is some logic to it. The ‘when people say they are the opposite sex’ is ludicrous.

HumanFemale1 Wed 18-Nov-20 16:03:02

"Let's be kind."

Female socialization at work. These people are always so baffled that some women refuse to "be kind". They just don't understand how we didn't get the memo, that as women, our job is to be kind despite our rights, safety and privacy are being decimated.

Let's be kind while we hear reports of vulnerable women in prison being raped by male inmates.

Let's be kind while we watch teenage girls try to escape misogyny by doing irreversible damage to their bodies.

Let's be kind while we watch women's sports being destroyed, female athletes who have trained entire lives don't get a chance to compete because Josh has decided he is now Jenny after not qualifying for the men's team.

Let's be kind while we watch males who have raped someone get that crime recorded as a women's crime.

Let's be kind while we watch little girls have to share toilets with boys in school, girls who are too young to articulate why that even makes them uncomfortable.

I will not be gaslight into submission by being told that putting up with this is kind. If that is what kind is, there is something wrong with Fleur's definition of the word kind.

Iamanaubergine Wed 18-Nov-20 16:05:37

I see Mimmymum has commented on that tweet about this thread...

GrumpyMiddleAgedWoman Wed 18-Nov-20 16:22:08

This 'be kind' crap completely does my head in.

Kindness can only go so far. Kindness lets you be walked all over. Kindness can put you at immense risk, risk that you may no appreciate or understand. Kindness can be massively taken advantage of by the greedy or cynical.

Be kind, as it's being plugged at the moment, means 'be a doormat, there's a good girl.'
Fuck that shit.

ThatIsNotMyUsername Wed 18-Nov-20 16:37:55

So yesterday the BoI was lit in the trans colours. We have days if remembrance for precisely zero people who have been killed, IWD centres people not born female.

Do these people not actually look at the real world and think ‘hmmmmmm, lotta lobbying and money swishing around this issue. I wonder who wins and who loses?’

Galvantula Wed 18-Nov-20 16:46:39

Yup, Mimmymum has told on the "transphobes". hmm

Labour really don't want many votes. 🤷‍♀️

RealityNotEssentialism Wed 18-Nov-20 16:48:04

ThatIsNotMyUsername

So yesterday the BoI was lit in the trans colours. We have days if remembrance for precisely zero people who have been killed, IWD centres people not born female.

Do these people not actually look at the real world and think ‘hmmmmmm, lotta lobbying and money swishing around this issue. I wonder who wins and who loses?’

Yeah the day of remembrance is idiotic. There is absolutely no evidence that trans people are killed at any higher rate than anybody else. In the few countries where there are high numbers, these are predominantly among sex workers, who have a high risk of being killed, whatever sex they are. Nobody is going around murdering trans people in the UK, US or mainland Europe. The middle-class, privately educated twits who go around saying this stuff are so hopelessly out of touch that it’s comical. No other marginalised group has such a powerful lobby behind it as this one and no other group in the past gained rights through a refusal to debate and merely threatening anyone who objected.

We’ve just had the Yorkshire Ripper back in the news. There we had dozens of women attacked, many brutally murdered for no other reason than that they were women and Peter Sutcliffe hated them and wanted them dead. They were defenceless against a much stronger man. Now that would warrant a remembrance ceremony but nobody’s interested because violence against women is so commonplace.

ThatIsNotMyUsername Wed 18-Nov-20 16:51:45

Sorry that was the BoE. No idea what to BoI is up to!

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