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(34 Posts)So he gets her booted off his flight.
https://apple.news/ArG9-gHW1Tame8HatIe40Xw
Sorry. Proper link from the independent
https://www.independent.co.uk/travel/news-and-advice/muslim-woman-passenger-removed-flight-uncomfortable-american-airlines-b1723547.html
I don't have Apple news, any more info so I can Google? Or another link?
Oh xposts!
Can’t judge unless we head both sides And witnesses
However I do know the airlines have appalling treatment of Muslims so nothing is far fetched
If it’s just her word against his then it’s appalling. If there were witnesses then it might just have been protocol
Well we know that women have been moved seats on flights a fair amount to make Jewish men with strict beliefs feel more comfy
So on the one hand who knows but on the other, not surprised if it's as she says.
But yeah not enough info as yet.
I bet all airlines would back the first class passenger
She was filming him as she had a go at him for going in front. I'd have turfed her off for that alone. Far too many people using their phones to shame people on SM where you only see the one side.
Well we don't know do we.
Sketchy info at present.
She was filming him as she had a go at him for going in front... Far too many people using their phones to shame people on SM where you only see the one side.
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I read her side but haven’t read any other versions so it’s hard to tell. She could have been being a big pain in the backside to be honest.
Well she could have been a PITA or he could have been a dick. Possibly both. She got chucked off though so I think more info is needed before guessing tbh
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Whoever did what, surely a passenger shouldn't be able to decide who flies and who doesn't though?
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Whoever did what, surely a passenger shouldn't be able to decide who flies and who doesn't though?
A passenger can’t decide. Removing a passenger from a flight is actually a major undertaking, which makes me just a little bit sceptical about what has been reported so far.
My understanding (from the way it was reported) was that he had a pre-paid security check, allowing him to pass through the usual gate-checks.
She didn't realise this and took offence when he was waived through from the back of the line, while she was removing her shoes. Thinking she had her 'gotcha' discrimination moment, she started filming, following him, and generally being belligerent.
He was (probably) an entitled arse too, because I have class prejudice, and can't imagine him any other way.
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It's literally a thing.shame the Indy didn't take 2 seconds to google it.
She sounds great... not at all like a person who would get her teeth into something and make a huge stink, then assume sexism/racism/xenophobia/anti-Muslim sentiment and immediately write a piece about it.
It sounds as though the airline wasnt clear enough when it was handling the queues that some people didn't need the check and should have had a special area for them so no pushing past. Once the shoe fiddling woman had been told he had paid to avoid the check she should have backed down, not looked for racism and discrimination when there was none.
I worry about her being involved in politics as it sounds as though she doesn't reconsider an issue when given new evidence but ploughs on with her anti white male prejudice angle.
If she thinks people shouldn't be allowed to skip the queue because they are rich that's an issue to take up with the airline not the passengers.
If the report in the Independent article is true I'd have been uncomfortable with her. He passed the queue as he'd paid for that option. She followed him and continued filming and complaining while on the plane. I'd have been uncomfortable and intimidated.
The guy didn't do anything wrong. The airline messed up by having them all on one queue, which led to the impression that some were randomly being allowed to "skip". Had they been given separate queues, there would have been no false impression of skipping.
He was allowed to pass through, she took it as a personal insult because "white man vs Muslim woman" (which is also how you have categorized it OP, because you've ignored what actually happened to be deliberately incendiary). She then followed him, filmed him, harassed him. He did nothing wrong but was subjected to that.
The airline were right to kick her off. You dont get to behave like that and then stay on the plane.
At first I couldn't understand why they kicked her off if he was in business/first and she was in economy, you'd think there would be enough physical distance between them.
But then I read the part where she'd been filming him on the plane as well and NOPE, that's not okay, nobody should have to be trapped on a plane with someone openly targeting them for harassment (not even rich white men!) It's totally possible this man is also an ass but she was completely out of line from beginning to end. And the "Muslim woman" thing is a red herring, her behaviour even as described in the biased Independent article is ample justification for removing her.
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