Glenn Greenwald getting there?

[NecessaryScene1]

I've mentioned Glenn a few times here, as I've been a huge fan since the Iraq War, and he's the sort of heterodox thinker I'd expect to not be playing ball with the loopy aspects of gender ideology.

Andrew Sullivan, whom I've also followed since then, is super gender-critical, but it's been taking Glenn a while to get there. He was not very sympathetic to JKR, for example.

Glenn and Andrew are two gay men who for me both really have to be firmly on the gender critical side. Their whole brand is being anti-establishment bullshit, particularly on their respective sides. If they turned out not to be, then either they're frauds, or I'd have to have to reevaluate my own views...

Currently watching Glenn on Joe Rogan, and they're now spending a long time on the issue - girls having surgery, and men in women's sports.

Pleased to see his anti-authoritarian instincts finally overtaking his instinctive "LGBTQ-friendliness" (and the disadvantage of being American). He instinctively knows that if there's anything we're not allowed to talk about we really need to start talking about.

Glenn has just quit the Intercept (after recording the Rogan podcast), so maybe knowing that he's going independent again might be freeing him up a little.

Glenn on Rogan; gender bit is about an hour and a half in:

Glenn's own podcast about the Abigail Shrier/Rogan/Spotify thing:

Glenn's article about the hounding of Martina Navratilova: theintercept.com/2020/07/14/cancel-culture-martina-navratilova-documentary/

[CharlieParley]

Thank you! Yes, I had been reading his stuff since then as well. Had expected him to question the recent authoritarian nature of the activism, but like you I was disappointed by his unquestioning support.

[NotBadConsidering]

Well if he’s getting it, it’s only since June. He wasn’t just “not very sympathetic” to Rowling, he said “JK Rowling's victimhood complex is suffocating & narcissistic.” That’s pretty vile.

mobile.twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1271070831859376130

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/a3936307-Glen-Greenwald?msgid=97379325#97379325

[NecessaryScene1]

I think his empathy for women is very low - he seems to share that with a lot of gay men. In the Rogan thing he does mention feminists having an issue with transwomens' view of "being a woman" in passing, but he clearly doesn't really grasp how serious the whole situation is for women.

So he's kind of being reluctantly dragged into paying attention to this primarily by the authoritarian antics, and secondarily by his respect for Navratilova. It's not something he'd be interested in otherwise.

He's never going to be a feminist (ally). But I expect him to be calling out the bullshit.

I still don't grasp what was going on in his head in those June tweets. He's clearly got some (American?) misconceptions about the nature of the fight.

[GratedExposure]

Same here - I've also followed and liked GG's journalism for years. And was disappointed by his reaction to JKR's statement. However, I wonder whether that was at least in part a reaction to other things he had disagreed with JKR on politically. Either way, his response was not great, but I wouldn't be surprised to hear that he's more critical of the current gender politics than his initial tweet, etc., suggested.

[fakenina]

Greenwald is one of quite a few left thinkers who I think are intenegent enough to know its bullshit but have been constraigned by tribialism (and tbf, not really giving a shit about women).

But as the oppressive nature of gender idology becomes too much to pretend you haven't noticed, I think more and more men who pride themselfs on a reputation as honest free thinkers are going to have to either break ranks or be exposed as frauds.

Its time to put up or shut up left bros.

[nepeta]

IF Glenn is changing his mind on this, look for other reasons than bog-standard women's rights. He is not exactly a feminist.

[AnotherLass]

I don't think that any belief in women's rights is necessary to get this issue. All you need is a basic belief in truth and/or civil liberties.

[AnyOldPrion]

That Intercept article is astonishing. The knots twists himself into to continue his belief!

Despite Martina’s far superior sporting knowledge, and despite the fully acknowledged fact that she has been on what he would consider the right side of this debate for ever, his blinkers are so tightly over his eyes that he can’t even see the road in front of him. The very plausible conclusion that actually, she might just be right doesn’t even come within a ten mile radius of his walled-in mind.

[fakenina]

This always plays in my head whenever I think about left interlectuals and how they are dealing with the gender idology 'debate'

[miri1985]

Great article by Glen Greenwald about an ACLU lawyer saying Abigail Shrier's book is dangerous and should be supressed greenwald.substack.com/p/the-ongoing-death-of-free-speech

[334bu]

Interesting Thank you for posting.

[Ereshkigalangcleg]

TRA lawyer Chase Strangio, no less.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chase_Strangio

[AnotherLass]

It's a step in the right direction but Greenwald is still utterly failing to get this issue. And the sycophantic fawning over Strangio, who is one of the most extreme raging lunatics I've ever read on on twitter, is really grating.

[TartrazineCustard]

I suspect that the extreme respect shown to Strangio in that column is an appeal to him to "do better." Strangio's clearly capable of understanding what free speech is and why it's important (as Greenwald details), but has lost perspective and is acting destructively in this area.

I'm glad to see Greenwald noticing. This wouldn't have happened 12-18 months ago.

[Floisme]

I think that if he were to take a fraction of that empathy he shows for men who want to be women, and focused it instead on women, then he might get there. I can't see it happening. But he does at least understand free speech, which is not to be sniffed at.

[NecessaryScene1]

He's still getting there:

VIDEO: Trending as a Transphobe and Bi-Phobe

I think many here will find the first 10 minutes of the video rather aggravating, but it gets better.

He sees almost all of it - vanishing lesbians, social encouragement of trans identification, peer pressure, misdiagnosis, sports (ish), child treatment, detransitioners, rich white men with beards calling themselves non-binary, the total group-think and cancellation on the "left" stopping important questions being asked.

He's a very clear critical thinker, but he shares with many men the total inability to hear what women are actually saying. And as a result he has a near 100% blind spot on the issues for women and feminism with letting men "identify as" women, and why women might find that offensive.

He briefly touches on a potential feminist problem with saying women should be feminine around 30 minutes in, but it fails to hold his interest or get any deeper than that.

It's quite unique - normally you see that blind spot+deafness towards women as part of a whole bundle of lack of critical thinking. His blind spot is very, very selective.

He seems to understand why people are calling him transphobic - he can address that, and does in that video. He doesn't seem to understand why women are calling him misogynistic - he retweeted some such tweets to that effect, as if mocking the accusations, but he has not shown any sign of understanding them.

I'm fascinated to see how much longer he can keep it up.

[NecessaryScene1]

Still getting there. And actually talking to a woman for once!

VIDEO: With Katie Herzog on the Expansion of LGBTQ Identity and How it is Wielded in Political Discourse

That's connected to him strongly supporting Katie's poolboy Jesse Singal against a bunch of completely loony authoritarians posing as trans rights activists - article by Jon Kay on that here:

The Campaign of Lies Against Journalist Jesse Singal—And Why It Matters

Pro tip - if you want someone like Greenwald to be a "trans ally" do NOT be a bunch of lying authoritarian hacks.