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C4 cancels Linehan’s ITCrowd episode

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RainingBatsAndFrogs Fri 09-Oct-20 09:14:30

Due to ‘transphobia’ natch.

www.google.com/amp/s/www.telegraph.co.uk/tv/0/banning-crowd-funny-way-channel-4-challenge-status-quo/amp/

His blog includes the whole correspondence but I couldn’t copy the link.

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BrassicaRabbit Fri 09-Oct-20 09:35:10

Can't wait for sexism to be banned!

RoyalCorgi Fri 09-Oct-20 09:35:45

This is also the episode which features the hilarious internet in a box storyline. Fortunately, it's still available on Netflix.

brendansbuddy Fri 09-Oct-20 09:51:02

So dim. The trans joke is actually at the terrible boss's expense. As with much of these cancellations, people seem too stupid to understand what the humour is about.

FFSBringbackLangCleg Fri 09-Oct-20 09:57:29

I cancelled Netflix because of “Cuties”, but went straight to Daily Motion to rewatch the episode when I heard this.

‘The Elders of the Internet...know about me?‘

ThunderSkies Fri 09-Oct-20 09:59:54

I’m so mad about this ( I saw it mentioned last week).

RoyalCorgi Fri 09-Oct-20 10:00:54

The trans joke is actually at the terrible boss's expense.

That's true up to a point, but much of the comedy arises from the fact that, as the Telegraph article points out, the trans woman fights like a man. There's a lot of comic book violence between her and Douglas, in which ultimately the trans woman comes off worst. It's very funny but I can see why they don't like it. (Though banning it is idiotic, obviously.)

ThunderSkies Fri 09-Oct-20 10:02:04

That’s right.

Children dancing pornographically (actually doing it and being filmed this way) = fine.

Joke including a trans character (when the joke is not at the expense of the trans character) = deserves banning.

ThunderSkies Fri 09-Oct-20 10:04:12

RoyalCorgi

*The trans joke is actually at the terrible boss's expense.*

That's true up to a point, but much of the comedy arises from the fact that, as the Telegraph article points out, the trans woman fights like a man. There's a lot of comic book violence between her and Douglas, in which ultimately the trans woman comes off worst. It's very funny but I can see why they don't like it. (Though banning it is idiotic, obviously.)

Well, that's important as well. I mean, let’s not beat about the bush. A transwoman (in real life) is biologically a man, therefore will fight like a man (think a tackling women in rugby etc).

At least she was played by a female character and not a man in a dress...??

Lisz Fri 09-Oct-20 10:11:30

Funny thing is HE felt it was badly written

FemaleAndLearning Fri 09-Oct-20 10:13:30

I've never watched the programme so went on you tube to watch this clip. Why is the transwoman played by a woman not a man? If you weren't aware she was supposed to be a transwoman, ie came in at the end of the clip it just looks like a man beating up a woman.

Datun Fri 09-Oct-20 10:25:14

Will they go after Ricky Gervais' depiction of a trans/age woman/girl now, too?

I'm going not guess not.

BraveBananaBadge Fri 09-Oct-20 10:27:25

It is something of its time, though. There’s an episode of 30 Rock from around then too, where Tracey (black guy) and Jenna (white woman) decide to see who has it harder in life by trying to pass as the other, and it doesn’t get shown anymore. Watched it recently and there is a fleeting transgender gag in the mix of that episode as well. Wouldn’t call any of it ‘phobic’ or racist in intent, just daft comedy, but times have changed.

fridgepants Fri 09-Oct-20 14:44:13

They haven't 'cancelled' or 'banned' it. They've just pulled it from rotation as they would any other programme/episode that gets heavily complained about. You can still buy the DVD if you want to watch it.

C4 are entitled to show, or not show, whatever archive programming they want, and if they don't feel that it fits in with their current compliance standards, then they are entitled to pull it. Whether you think this is wrong or has some agenda behind it is irrelevant. It's a bit like Status Quo arguing that Radio 1 'banned' them when actually a station aimed at 16-25 year olds just didn't want to playlist their music.

fridgepants Fri 09-Oct-20 14:45:49

BraveBananaBadge - early eps of It's Always Sunny (a programme about absolutely terrible people) from the mid-00s. had a character referred to as 'the Tr*nny', and the creators have since said they wouldn't have written it that way now. Things change, the attitudes of writers and makers change. Look at Little Britain and Matt Lucas.

fridgepants Fri 09-Oct-20 14:46:52

"Will they go after Ricky Gervais' depiction of a trans/age woman/girl now, too?

I'm going not guess not."

No, because After Life isn;'t shown on Channel 4, so Channel 4 have no juristdiction over deciding whether it's suitable for broadcast.

Datun Fri 09-Oct-20 14:49:16

I wasn't talking about Channel 4

aliasundercover Fri 09-Oct-20 14:58:02

They haven't 'cancelled' or 'banned' it they’re just not showing it.

But it was all right, everything was all right, the struggle was finished. He had won the victory over himself. He loved Big Brother.

OneEpisode Fri 09-Oct-20 15:02:29

I’m going to wait for Glinner’s reaction, but I think he thinks the trans depiction was, with hindsight, clumsy and he had learnt from it.

Trans people are entitled to respond to depictions of trans people. I think we can all learn and grow. Channel 4 can decide to show the other episodes more than this one.

It would be good if depictions of disabled people, women, etc were also revisited with today’s eyes with such thoroughness. That doesn’t mean the artist needs to be cancelled, just updated/more recent work by them promoted.

What of Glinners is under shown, and I should watch? I have digital tv and I’m afraid, Amazon Prime?

NRatched Fri 09-Oct-20 15:07:29

FemaleAndLearning

I've never watched the programme so went on you tube to watch this clip. Why is the transwoman played by a woman not a man? If you weren't aware she was supposed to be a transwoman, ie came in at the end of the clip it just looks like a man beating up a woman.

Why is the transwoman played by a woman not a man?

This seems to be quite common. I think Orange is the new black is the only time I have seen a transwoman play a transwoman.

OneEpisode Fri 09-Oct-20 15:19:33

This episode was 2009, April Shephard makes a very appealing character, and is clear that she is trans to her new boyfriend. The boyfriend is Douglas Reynholm, the ridiculous boss played by Matt Berry and is portrayed as very much in the wrong.

In 2009 this is the way those roles were cast. The actress is Lucy Montgomery who has other overlaps with Graham’s circle!

thinkingaboutLangCleg Fri 09-Oct-20 15:32:32

But it was all right, everything was all right, the struggle was finished. He had won the victory over himself. He loved Big Brother.

star Double-plus good, Undercover.

JorisBonson Fri 09-Oct-20 15:37:19

@NRatched the transwomen in Pose are played by transwomen

fridgepants Fri 09-Oct-20 16:26:55

@aliasundercover Standards (albeit not at C4) is literally my job, but OK. If you think a broadcaster deciding something no longer meets their internal standards is akin to 1984, then I don't think this is a conversation you can fully participate in.

They don't broadcast Mind Your Language anymore, so.

fridgepants Fri 09-Oct-20 16:28:22

"I’m going to wait for Glinner’s reaction, but I think he thinks the trans depiction was, with hindsight, clumsy and he had learnt from it."

Well, he's pissed off enough to say he will refuse to work with C4 again until they reinstate it, so I guess he's not on board with the decision and is happy with it as is.

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