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Nick Cohen on TRA bullies in The Spectator

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notyourhandmaid Mon 05-Oct-20 19:33:41

www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-hounding-of-a-scottish-poet-by-trans-activists

"For a witch hunt to begin extremists must so dominate a movement any sin, however slight, becomes a heresy the faithful must denounce for fear of being branded heretics themselves."

This is good. Familiar story - a woman notes that violent threats against women are being made, is labelled a transphobe, and excommunicated. But great to see Nick Cohen (he also wrote that JKR article for The Critic) delving into this madness.

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Gncq Mon 05-Oct-20 19:44:35

Unfortunately it's behind a paywall but NC is consistently good on this subject.

notyourhandmaid Mon 05-Oct-20 19:55:38

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PearPickingPorky Mon 05-Oct-20 19:57:44

Nick Cohen has been doing some excellent work recently.

Jenny Lindsay is an impressively strong (and very nice!) woman, it's unbelievable what's happened to her.

notyourhandmaid Mon 05-Oct-20 19:59:09

And from the Edinburgh News yesterday (no paywall):
www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/whats-on/arts-and-entertainment/police-warned-leading-scottish-poet-over-threats-safety-after-social-media-hounding-2991342

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SunsetBeetch Mon 05-Oct-20 19:59:12

The writer for The Skinny she was objecting to was "Cathy Brennan" , who went on to attempt to assault Julie Bindel.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3605069-Julie-Bindel-physically-attacked-after-meeting

SunsetBeetch Mon 05-Oct-20 20:05:29

Excellent article by Nick there, and eminently quotable!

You can also support Jenny by buying the latest addition of Dark Horse (or subscribe!)

www.thedarkhorsemagazine.com/Issues/Issue-42

SunsetBeetch Mon 05-Oct-20 20:19:36

This is their article, trying to justify violence against us.

www.theskinny.co.uk/sexuality/lgbt/pride-and-prejudice-what-pride-means-in-2019

SunsetBeetch Mon 05-Oct-20 20:21:35

SunsetBeetch

This is their article, trying to justify violence against us.

www.theskinny.co.uk/sexuality/lgbt/pride-and-prejudice-what-pride-means-in-2019

Ah sorry it was amended to take those bits out, but I think the screenshots of the tweets are on the thread about their attempted attack on Julie Bindel.

Itsinthetreesitscoming Mon 05-Oct-20 20:31:41

This is utterly chilling. I remember hearing about it earlier this year, but I didn't know the whole story.

Thank you Jenny Lindsay. This whole experience must be so upsetting and betraying. Kudos at least to the Scottish poetry library for their statement - it somehow seems surprising at the moment to discover there are still some institutions prepared to stand up for free speech.

LonnyVonnyWilsonFrickett Mon 05-Oct-20 20:51:22

Ah! I only knew bits of this and didn't know it was Jenny Lindsay who had spoken out. She's brilliant. Can't believe she's had to move house! FFS.

I think it's really important when people are talking about cancel culture to remember people like Jenny, freelancers who really are living precariously, who have lost friends, income and platforms.

MondayYogurt Mon 05-Oct-20 21:27:27

Unfortunately there have been some rumours about NC regarding inappropriate behaviour (metoo type), so I am cautious about lauding his efforts.

persistentwoman Mon 05-Oct-20 21:32:53

Good grief - she spoke up about violence against women and this is what happened to her. angry
That's another excellent article from Nick about the terrible excesses fromTRAs.

ScreamingBeans Mon 05-Oct-20 21:34:29

Storming article by Nick Cohen there

SquishySquirmy Mon 05-Oct-20 21:39:10

On googling her I came across a collection of poems Jenny Lyndsay wrote: "This Script"
Sounds great! Has anyone got it? I am thinking of ordering.

notyourhandmaid Mon 05-Oct-20 22:09:58

To summarise: Scottish poet points out that a trans woman is making violent threats towards lesbians. Is denounced by the poetry community as transphobic, loses work, has to move because of all the threats and harassment, is briefly supported by one organisation before everyone goes quiet.

Sorry to hear that there's rumours about NC. sad

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highame Tue 06-Oct-20 07:44:12

www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-hounding-of-a-scottish-poet-by-trans-activists

This should be ok

Kit19 Tue 06-Oct-20 08:01:11

Just for clarity linking to tweet making allegations about NC

twitter.com/rebeccawatson/status/365618638578909184?s=21

RoyalCorgi Tue 06-Oct-20 08:04:10

On googling her I came across a collection of poems Jenny Lyndsay wrote: "This Script"

I just ordered it. Due to arrive Friday - I'll let you know how I get on.

queenofknives Tue 06-Oct-20 08:11:31

Bloody hell. I had no idea this was going on, although I do know of some of the Edinburgh poetry crowd and they are unbelievably awful. Good for Jenny Lindsay for standing up for women, and another great article by Nick Cohen, too.

SunsetBeetch Tue 06-Oct-20 09:24:49

Kit19

Just for clarity linking to tweet making allegations about NC

twitter.com/rebeccawatson/status/365618638578909184?s=21

Hmmmn. It's not much to go on is it? I note that the person she's replying to has had their account suspended, so I've no idea what they said.

RoyalCorgi Tue 06-Oct-20 09:45:03

The tweet is from Rebecca Watson, who's quite big in the atheist and skeptic communities, and who was famously attacked (verbally) by Richard Dawkins when she complained about a guy inviting her to his hotel room. (More complicated than that but you can google the story.)

Disappointingly, Rebecca, who knows first-hand what misogyny is like, is full on TWAW. Go figure.

The tweet is potentially libellous, as is linking to it.

SunsetBeetch Tue 06-Oct-20 10:39:55

RoyalCorgi

The tweet is from Rebecca Watson, who's quite big in the atheist and skeptic communities, and who was famously attacked (verbally) by Richard Dawkins when she complained about a guy inviting her to his hotel room. (More complicated than that but you can google the story.)

Disappointingly, Rebecca, who knows first-hand what misogyny is like, is full on TWAW. Go figure.

The tweet is potentially libellous, as is linking to it.

Oh the hotel lift thing? I remember that. She did cop a lot of flack from MRA types.

Much of the skeptic community is wholeheartedly TWAW. It's weird. As others have said, it's like they rejected one religion only to take up another.

I think I need more evidence than "he once grabbed my bum and ran away" tbh.

RoyalCorgi Tue 06-Oct-20 10:53:03

Much of the skeptic community is wholeheartedly TWAW. It's weird. As others have said, it's like they rejected one religion only to take up another.

It is so bizarre. Surely the first rule of being a skeptic is that you have to be, well, sceptical? How can you believe in something like a woman being born in a man's body, which is right up there with water-into-wine, rising from the dead and transubstantiation as a nonsensical idea?

queenofknives Tue 06-Oct-20 14:13:00

I'm sorry but I think that's bullshit. She's accusing someone of sexual assault but where's the evidence? Did she go to the police? Was there any witness? I don't think you can casually just go about accusing men of being sex criminals just because you happen to disagree with them.

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