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Dr Michael Brady NHS CQC GIDS inspector - 'Important message for everyone with a cervix

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FindTheTruth Mon 28-Sep-20 10:22:06

Michael Brady - The Care Quality Commission (CQC) is due to inspect The Tavistock and Portman NHS Foundation Trust, Gender Identity Services GIDS

Will GIDS review questions (to get feedback from people using the service, parents, relatives, carers, and staff) use words like 'girl' or 'woman' or 'cervix haver'? or 'boy' or 'prostate owner'?

'Important message for everyone with a cervix.' re smear tests
twitter.com/drmbrady/status/1310178657940525057

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ThePankhurstConnection Mon 28-Sep-20 10:35:17

The response about letting their cat (with her cervix) know was very funny.

Why do they persist with this when it is clear from the responses that women HATE them doing it. They say it is to be inclusive but can't acknowledge how it excludes women by using dehumanising language.

It's all so tedious.

Muttonindistress Mon 28-Sep-20 10:38:44

‘Why do they persist with this when it is clear from the responses that *women HATE them doing it*‘

I think you’ve answered you’re own question.

Muttonindistress Mon 28-Sep-20 10:40:34

*your and a bolding fail. Need more coffee.

EndoplasmicReticulum Mon 28-Sep-20 10:43:04

Why can't it say "women and people with a cervix"
I know that people with a cervix ARE women, but the above covers those people with a cervix who don't identify as women too.
If you just say "people with a cervix" that excludes women who don't know what one is, or if they have one.

ErrolTheDragon Mon 28-Sep-20 10:43:24

Important message for people with prostates: stop reducing women to body parts. hmm

FindTheTruth Mon 28-Sep-20 10:43:51

yeah the cat response was funny

It's not inclusive to exclude. include other names to be inclusive but don't exclude women. don't reduce us to body parts. Jo’s Trust say 40% of women don’t know they have a cervix.

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FindTheTruth Mon 28-Sep-20 10:45:14

ErrolTheDragon

Important message for people with prostates: stop reducing women to body parts. hmm

❤️

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Siameasy Mon 28-Sep-20 10:45:26

Ugh - huge push back though in the replies.

thinkingaboutLangCleg Mon 28-Sep-20 10:45:30

Important message for people with prostates: stop reducing women to body parts.
grin

Antibles Mon 28-Sep-20 10:46:28

FFS. So offensive.

Plus, all those handy little pictures to help us understand. But then risk people not understanding who the message is aimed at, because they won't use the word WOMAN.

thinkingaboutLangCleg Mon 28-Sep-20 10:47:11

Jo’s Trust say 40% of women don’t know they have a cervix

Good point. When did we suddenly become expected to know all kinds of physiological stuff, just so that men didn't have to call us women? I doubt if I knew what a cervix was in my teens.

Siameasy Mon 28-Sep-20 10:47:20

Anyone who is involved with young girls being allowed to transition into boys is going to hate women

SunsetBeetch Mon 28-Sep-20 10:47:27

Jo's Trust:

"Half of women don't know what the cervix is"

"Robert Music, Chief Executive of Jo’s Cervical Cancer Trust, said: “We cannot afford to see cervical screening attendance fall any further. Diagnoses of cervical cancer in the UK are worryingly high and will only increase if more women don’t attend screening. We want to encourage women to look after their health, including the health of their cervix and that means attending cervical screening. "

www.jostrust.org.uk/node/666780

ThePankhurstConnection Mon 28-Sep-20 10:48:00

Muttonindistress

‘Why do they persist with this when it is clear from the responses that *women HATE them doing it*‘

I think you’ve answered you’re own question.

Fair enough I suspect you are right. Go get your coffee wink I'm the same without mine brew

Siameasy Mon 28-Sep-20 10:48:45

My mil doesn’t know what a cervix is and I’m not entirely sure my Sil does

My 5 year old daughter might have a cervix though! I’ll book her in!

FindTheTruth Mon 28-Sep-20 11:00:50

some good replies in that thread

Keep women and girls in the language or watch the cervical cancer death rate go up

cancer kills women, and a priority should be stop that, not posture or flaunt your woke credentials on social media

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Antibles Mon 28-Sep-20 11:01:30

This prostate-haver being involved is not filling me with confidence for the independent review of Tavi/GIDS.

I liked this comment in the replies:

NB and transmen have to be mentioned but women can be erased. Amarite, arsehole? (You call us ppl with cervix, it is only fair that I call you by one of you body parts, don't you think?). grin

MichelleofzeResistance Mon 28-Sep-20 11:01:48

Argh.

Anyone actually informed about and interested in inclusion - actual inclusion, the real concept, as opposed to a fashionable word you wag when convenient to your agenda - would be aware:

you don't do things that seriously fuck off everyone in the group you're trying to include other people into, because that draws huge attention to the group you wanted to be a natural part of things (kind of the opposite of actual inclusion), plus builds resentment and damages relations between the groups

#InclusionFAIL

You really can only draw the conclusion that some prostate havers really love the virtuous opportunity to do down women. While smiling smugly saying "we know you hate it but it's good for you"

Ereshkigalangcleg Mon 28-Sep-20 11:04:28

You really can only draw the conclusion that some prostate havers really love the virtuous opportunity to do down women. While smiling smugly saying "we know you hate it but it's good for you"

Yes. And this guy is no doubt raging because of the GRA and Mermaids. It feels like trolling women as a dominance display.

FindTheTruth Mon 28-Sep-20 11:06:12

😂these replies

That is a weird public cervix announcement

Okey dokey jizz producing blokey.

Are you, a bollock person, telling women talking about women’s health screening?

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EndoplasmicReticulum Mon 28-Sep-20 11:06:13

I used to teach year 7 biology lessons. This included names for parts of the reproductive system, male and female, including cervix.
Can also be covered in GCSE biology although not all specifications.
There are a variety of reasons why women might not know / remember this. By reducing it to body parts you are potentially excluding women with learning difficulties, women who speak English as an additional language, etc.

MichelleofzeResistance Mon 28-Sep-20 11:07:38

Plus bleeding obvious question, Michael you utter muppet:

how do I know if I have a cervix?

Is this something that I need a medical professional to hunt for to be able to let me know whether or not you mean that important message is for me? And how are you going to process in these covid ridden times, 66 million of us many of whom don't know what a cervix is, to work out who has one and who doesn't?

Or shall we just admit you meant the half of the population who are women, know they're women, everyone else knows they're women, because only women have cervixes, plus an additional paragraph for women who prefer to identify themselves as something other than women but that change of language doesn't change that they are still biologically female?

Angryresister Mon 28-Sep-20 11:09:43

Can we get a more balanced person to replace this guy on the review? For the child abuse enquiry there were several replacements. Who should we contact?

Antibles Mon 28-Sep-20 11:20:12

You really can only draw the conclusion that some prostate havers really love the virtuous opportunity to do down women. While smiling smugly saying "we know you hate it but it's good for you"

Yes and if we hate something and they love that, that's not just misogyny, it's sadism.

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