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Is self ID finally off the table?

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TheFleegleHasLanded Sun 20-Sep-20 00:19:15

Sorry, no share token, hopefully one will be along soon:

www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/changing-gender-to-get-cheaper-but-self-identify-scheme-is-off-0twtdw5fr

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weaverbirds Sun 20-Sep-20 00:24:45

Amazing! No to self-ID.
Thank you to all the women who fought against this, and who alerted the rest of us to the danger. I hardly dared hope that Liz Truss would stay firm on this. In fact I hardly dare believe it now...

TheFleegleHasLanded Sun 20-Sep-20 00:26:51

She is speaking at 11.30 in Parliament on Wednesday so not long to wait to find out.

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teawamutu Sun 20-Sep-20 00:32:34

The Times is supposed to be fairly reliable on this.

Oh please. Oh thank any gods listening if it's true.

And let's continue digging - we need clarity about the Equality Act to really nail down protections for women and girls.

EveryPlanetHasAYorkshire Sun 20-Sep-20 00:37:15

I hope so!

Destinysdaughter Sun 20-Sep-20 00:39:50

I really hope this is true!

yourhairiswinterfire Sun 20-Sep-20 00:43:05

God, I hope so.

Fair Cop tweeted a bit from the article that says 70% "backed self id", but officials are aware the results were skewed because of spamming from TRAs.

twitter.com/WeAreFairCop/status/1307460519310299142

I hope they're also aware of the absolute shit women have been put through because of all this. I want to hear Liz Truss publicly acknowledge that women's SEX based rights and protection matter too.

CivilCervix Sun 20-Sep-20 00:44:34

Changing gender to get cheaper but ‘self‑identify’ scheme is off

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/changing-gender-to-get-cheaper-but-self-identify-scheme-is-off-0twtdw5fr

Fallingirl Sun 20-Sep-20 00:45:00

I can’t read the whole article, but is the only concession to identitarians to make it cheaper? If so, I am fine with that.

CivilCervix Sun 20-Sep-20 00:45:11

Hopefully that will work 👆

BetsyM00 Sun 20-Sep-20 00:47:18

Sharetoken:
www.thetimes.co.uk/article/ff2cc9b4-fa87-11ea-bc6b-67609308e33e?shareToken=1ed7deac0db184c3adb356bcef596ef1

Archive: archive.vn/Cgy6m

Toseland Sun 20-Sep-20 00:48:02

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LoveInTheTimeOfCorona Sun 20-Sep-20 00:49:54

This link has the text (hope it’s okay to link Facebook, this is a public page):

facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=824162298320222&id=266169847452806

Brashopper Sun 20-Sep-20 00:51:06

“ Polls suggest voters are sympathetic to trans rights but do not support transgender women with male anatomy having access to female-only facilities such as prisons and changing rooms.”

Thank you for the share token, @BetsyM00

DeliciouslyFemale Sun 20-Sep-20 00:51:13

That’s brilliant in theory, but let’s be honest, far too many organisations are accepting male bodied (in particular) people self identifying trans into areas that are supposed to be for females only. This is great, but we still have a long way to go, before women and girls regain their rights to their feelings of dignity, privacy and safety, to be respected. This is the first step and hopefully can be as evidence that these organisations are completely wrong.

LoveInTheTimeOfCorona Sun 20-Sep-20 00:51:46

Oh, Betsy and Toseland got there faster! grin

If it’s true it’s amazing!

DeliciouslyFemale Sun 20-Sep-20 00:51:55

self identifying *as trans...

WeeBisom Sun 20-Sep-20 00:56:54

If you read the Hansard report when gender certificates were being debated, they reckoned there wouldn’t be more than five thousand people tops who would apply for a GRC. And sure enough the total number of people with a certificate is 4900. I really don’t think that making it cheaper is going to open the flood gates any.

I think it’s very good they have held fast to the idea that being trans at the very least requires gender dysphoria - you need a diagnosis to transition.

TheFleegleHasLanded Sun 20-Sep-20 00:57:21

Key extract:

“A government source said: “We think that the current legislation, which supports people’s rights to change their sex, is sufficient.”

Polls suggest voters are sympathetic to trans rights but do not support transgender women with male anatomy having access to female-only facilities such as prisons and changing rooms.

More than 100,000 responses were received to the consultation. Insiders say 70% backed the idea that anyone should be allowed to self-identify. However, officials believe the results were skewed by responses generated by trans rights groups.”

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DeliciouslyFemale Sun 20-Sep-20 00:58:57

TheFleegleHasLanded

Key extract:

“A government source said: “We think that the current legislation, which supports people’s rights to change their sex, is sufficient.”

Polls suggest voters are sympathetic to trans rights but do not support transgender women with male anatomy having access to female-only facilities such as prisons and changing rooms.

More than 100,000 responses were received to the consultation. Insiders say 70% backed the idea that anyone should be allowed to self-identify. However, officials believe the results were skewed by responses generated by trans rights groups.”

Yes, I thought that was very strong and concise, language. I’m surprised they actually confirmed that the vote was basically fixed.

DialSquare Sun 20-Sep-20 01:01:01

Really hope this is true. If so, the TRAs game didn't work. There are going to be some epic tantrums.

Fallingirl Sun 20-Sep-20 01:05:02

Followers of Stonewall law are likely to carry on regardless. We need Liz Truss to state very clearly, in no uncertain terms, no exceptions, that single sex spaces are to remain single sex.

Including schools and prisons.

greyinganddecaying Sun 20-Sep-20 01:06:49

Well this is excellent - the war is not yet won, but it sounds like we've won this particular battle ✊

CivilCervix Sun 20-Sep-20 01:10:58

Fallingirl

Followers of Stonewall law are likely to carry on regardless. We need Liz Truss to state very clearly, in no uncertain terms, no exceptions, that single sex spaces are to remain single sex.

Including schools and prisons.


Agree. Organisations such as the CQC are interpreting it as they see fit and being very dogmatic about it, despite there being countless vulnerable women at their mercy. It requires an effective Comms campaign though and the govt appear to be struggling in that area.

yourhairiswinterfire Sun 20-Sep-20 01:11:10

Including schools and prisons.

The article specifically mentions prisons and changing rooms, so I'm hoping to God they knock putting TW in with women on the head, and make it absolutely clear to everyone that women are entitled to their own spaces, and our rights are NOT transphobic.

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