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Nigella Lawson apologizes for 27 year old column

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Igneococcus Thu 10-Sep-20 07:50:58

It reads like a hostage note:

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/9272cff6-f2cd-11ea-9de6-a6e4d4016fb7?shareToken=f1646908d8ee981cca03f1ebbff8ec12

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JKRisaqueen Thu 10-Sep-20 07:54:20

It showed what her true opinion is before it became shaped by other people's

saiditbetterthanme Thu 10-Sep-20 07:56:29

Sigh. What a crazy world we live in where we have to apologise for all our past actions. Mum, it was me who left the conservatory door open, not my little brother! I'm so very sorry.

ARoombaOfOnesOwn Thu 10-Sep-20 07:59:42

I think Nigella is quite woke these days.

Clymene Thu 10-Sep-20 08:00:55

Madness that we live in a world like this. Nigella's column would have got her a strike on MN.

Marmite27 Thu 10-Sep-20 08:01:52

Per and perself hmm

SerenityNowwwww Thu 10-Sep-20 08:03:32

Some is a dingbat.

Deltoids1 Thu 10-Sep-20 08:06:45

Lawson was spot on in that old column. Someone who wants to remove perfectly healthy parts of their body to ease mental distress needs mental health support not a gung-ho surgeon.
I honestly don’t know how these surgeons live with themselves. It’s one thing to remove body parts to save lives, it’s another to do it on the day so if someone with mental distress.

Kit19 Thu 10-Sep-20 08:08:54

The grovelling is pathetic to witness. Has she no bloody dignity?

I assume her children have been ‘educating her’ like Jonathan Ross’s did to him
(I recognise this might be unfair to her kids who may not be woke but given the middle class privilege & lack of contact with any women who need single sex spaces like prisons or refuges I’d be amazed!)

BrollyKnickers Thu 10-Sep-20 08:10:57

I can't stand either of them.

testing987654321 Thu 10-Sep-20 08:13:40

Let's just break this down.

NL perfectly reasonably, in my opinion, described the removal of healthy body parts for no medical reason, as self-mutilation.

Yet her comments on it now are * while I certainly meant no harm, unfortunately that doesn’t mean I didn’t harm*.

Her words "harmed"? Yet a doctor can do unnecessary surgery and that's just fine?

Gurufloof Thu 10-Sep-20 08:21:02

Ok where do I start?
When I was 6 I said mummy look at that funny woman. So very sorry funny woman.
When I was 15 I was a foul tempered jerk and pissed off lots of people , very sorry blah blah......

BrollyKnickers Thu 10-Sep-20 08:21:07

First. Do. No. Harm.

WhoWouldHaveThoughtThat Thu 10-Sep-20 08:21:18

@saiditbetterthanme

I knew it was you who left the door open.
All these years and you lied and your brother... well he never really got over it.
I suspect you have slept easily over the years whilst it ate away at the rest of the family. You know your cousin emigrated to Canada as a result, and Doris (I don't suppose you even remember her) ended up in that home for the disturbed.
At least you've finally apoligised and I think we can all forget the matter. Even your brother who is still in Dartmoor Prison.

Kit19 Thu 10-Sep-20 08:26:42

Also the use of the word harm gives me the rage!!

Stop equating peoples hurt feelings when you say something they don’t like with the removal of healthy body parts

Women are harmed every single day in their millions across the world - murdered, beaten, raped just for being women and yet somehow they are less at risk of harm than the ‘bring me my fainting couch’ brigade? Fuck off

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ErrolTheDragon Thu 10-Sep-20 08:29:49

Kit19

The grovelling is pathetic to witness. Has she no bloody dignity?

I assume her children have been ‘educating her’ like Jonathan Ross’s did to him
(I recognise this might be unfair to her kids who may not be woke but given the middle class privilege & lack of contact with any women who need single sex spaces like prisons or refuges I’d be amazed!)


From what the article said, the apology was in response to Elan-Cane twittering about the 27 year old piece.

Kit19 Thu 10-Sep-20 08:34:27

Yes Errol I think that’s right - it came across my TL briefly yesterday

CuriousaboutSamphire Thu 10-Sep-20 08:38:23

Ooh! I didn't even post anything gendered but am being held by the moderating team smile

They are being very careful with this one.

IcedPurple Thu 10-Sep-20 08:41:37

I agree with Lawson's column.

But even if I didn't, why is a cookery writer publically apologising for something she wrote over a quarter of a century ago? I don't want to sound melodramatic but it really does seem as though free speech is being threatened, not by fear of being locked up, but by fear of losing one's career or being shunned by 'polite' society.

We're getting to the stage that if anyone holds an opionion which deviates even slightly from woke dogma, they'll keep it to themselves. That of course doesn't mean they won't continue to hold those opinions, in fact they'll likely believe in them even more firmly. I see a massive backlash brewing.

DianasLasso Thu 10-Sep-20 08:43:05

There is a whole bag full of misogynist issues round "non-binary" waiting to be unpacked, IMO. Round "male bodies = default human" and one rule for the penis people, another for the vulva people.

IMO, Nigella was spot on with the original article.

What we need to ask is why "non-binary" and "androgynous" are always framed as "just being human", where "just being human" seems to be "like a human man"?

Male non-binary - bit of mascara, high heels, dress with a bit of swish. You're good to go.

Female non-binary - lop off perfectly healthy body parts. Then you might be good to go (but we'll still pay you less, because... we know you're actually a vulva person under that shapeless top and shapeless trousers).

Some time in their mid forties I expect all these be-vulvaed non-binary people with double mastectomy scars will realise they've been had.

AmandaHoldensLips Thu 10-Sep-20 08:46:28

The fragrant Nigella has gone way down in my estimation. Clearly too chicken to stand by her article.

I can understand those women who fear losing their job if they speak up, but I doubt Nigella has to worry about putting food on the table.

testing987654321 Thu 10-Sep-20 08:47:44

On the topic of questioning something someone wrote a long time ago, I think it's fine to ask if they still hold the same opinion. I am sure lots of us are waiting for Tatchel to comment on his letter to the guardian from 1997.

BloggersBlog Thu 10-Sep-20 08:49:04

WhoWouldHaveThoughtThat

*@saiditbetterthanme*

I knew it was you who left the door open.
All these years and you lied and your brother... well he never really got over it.
I suspect you have slept easily over the years whilst it ate away at the rest of the family. You know your cousin emigrated to Canada as a result, and Doris (I don't suppose you even remember her) ended up in that home for the disturbed.
At least you've finally apoligised and I think we can all forget the matter. Even your brother who is still in Dartmoor Prison.

grin

That's the kind of response that is needed to such self-outings. Calmed, reasoned with no OTT-ness whatsoever. The poster can sleep easy now knowing there was no repercussions from her utter foolishness

Janaih Thu 10-Sep-20 08:50:46

You couldn't make this shit up! Perbollocks.

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