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Asking to be spared jail due to gender vulnerability

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CoffeeTeaChocolate Tue 01-Sep-20 11:50:00

www.google.com/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8684523/amp/Transgender-woman-faces-jail-giving-14-year-old-girl-Valium-Hungry-Jacks.html

This actually makes me incredibly angry.

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NiceGerbil Tue 01-Sep-20 11:53:23

What happened to the girl, is she somewhere safe now?

Yes angry here as well.

CoffeeTeaChocolate Tue 01-Sep-20 12:07:03

I have been trying to find another source, but only found the one below.

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/whatsnew2day.com/transgender-woman-faces-jail-after-giving-14-year-old-girl-valium-to-hungry-jacks/amp/

It seems she is out of ICU and able to give a victim impact statement.

I think it is a slippery slope if any kind of gender preference would have a different penalty scale. Is there any legal basis for this being argued, does anyone know?

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yourhairiswinterfire Tue 01-Sep-20 12:11:49

Should have thought about vulnerability when supplying a vulnerable child with drugs.

Don't want to go to jail, don't break the law. Simple.

No sympathy.

GrandmaMazur Tue 01-Sep-20 12:44:08

Have there been cases where people have been spared jail because of their ‘vulnerable’ status? If so I guess this kind of defence will become more common.

Reminds me of the men who get caught perving (upskirting and spying on a young girl in a shower being two recent examples that spring to mind) who try to use stress of work as a reason to be spared punishment.

NiceGerbil Tue 01-Sep-20 13:05:50

There have been jail sentences waived on these grounds.

I'm glad the girl has recovered and hope she is being looked after.

I suppose no one knows what happened while she was unconscious.

The thing is, girls in trouble usually approach women for help. Because of what men can be like. This girl approached a woman who drugged her and took her back to her place...

CuriousaboutSamphire Tue 01-Sep-20 13:27:43

Momentary lapse, my arse. Seized an opportunity, more like!
Not that this ever happens, of course!

Coatandhat Tue 01-Sep-20 14:01:37

The girl said "she was taken advantage of" - does that mean assaulted or given the drugs??

Whatwouldscullydo Tue 01-Sep-20 14:05:59

In what way would they be vulnerable?

More so than troubled young teenage runaway given drugs who could have died? hmm

I'd also bet my back molars that this crime will be recorded as having been committed by a female.

FireUnderTheHand Tue 01-Sep-20 15:50:36

NiceGerbil

There have been jail sentences waived on these grounds.

I'm glad the girl has recovered and hope she is being looked after.

I suppose no one knows what happened while she was unconscious.

The thing is, girls in trouble usually approach women for help. Because of what men can be like. This girl approached a woman who drugged her and took her back to her place...

That is not a woman, that is a man (David Willan) that drugged that 14yr old girl. Why are you willfully and erroneously misrepresenting the perpetrator? He is obviously a deranged human - supporting his delusions hurts actual girls/women/females.

MNHQ, it is clear that the perpetrator is a male AKA David Willan that identifies as a woman and at the very least drugged an underage girl/female almost resulting in her death (ICU remember).

If I understand correctly we can say this without deletion due to the circumstances. Please advise if I broke a rule by stating the truth as written in the article (included transwoman status and AKA or original/birth name prior to transition).

FireUnderTheHand Tue 01-Sep-20 15:53:32

MarieIVanArkleStinks

I'd also bet my back molars that this crime will be recorded as having been committed by a female.

Of course it is, I have zero doubt.

CuriousaboutSamphire Tue 01-Sep-20 16:00:05

Now, now, Mariel

Never.Happens.Ever

Get with the programme... or else!

Gingerkittykat Tue 01-Sep-20 16:06:57

I'm looking forward to finding out what the sentence will be.

I think offenders in general make stupid excuses about why they offended which are sometimes accepted and sometimes rejected by the courts. Drugging a vulnerable 14 year old runaway should mean there is no leniency shown, the child was ill enough to end up in intensive care.

nancybotwinbloom Tue 01-Sep-20 17:14:43

A grown man gave drugs to a 14 year old girl, took her back his flat where she blacked out? and is now worried about what will happen to him?!

Have I read that right?

NiceGerbil Tue 01-Sep-20 17:30:59

My point is that the girl probably approached someone she thought was female.

Who drugged her and took her home and ???

This sort of thing is a crime that almost always is carried out by men.

If the girl had thought this was a middle aged man would she have asked for the phone.

I'm sure you see what I'm driving at.

Angryresister Tue 01-Sep-20 17:35:03

What is it that makes this person a woman, exactly?

Whatwouldscullydo Tue 01-Sep-20 17:36:04

Are you trying to use what happened to that poor girl as proof of passing and validation?

Really?

Look at the picture. You cant mistake anything

And does it matter how she ended up there? She was drugged. And everyone's more concerned with how jail will be for the culprit. hmm

NiceGerbil Tue 01-Sep-20 17:53:36

Are you both talking to me?

I think you misunderstand where I'm coming from.

NiceGerbil Tue 01-Sep-20 17:54:44

Yes it does matter as many children are taught to approach shop person/ police/ person with kids/ woman if they need help.

NiceGerbil Tue 01-Sep-20 17:55:57

I don't know whether the girl read this person as male or female.

Just a point I'm trying to make that does not seem to be landing!

Soubriquet Tue 01-Sep-20 17:56:33

It doesn’t say whether the poor girl was sexually assaulted or not

I hope not but the fact she blacked out and was taken back to his apartment doesn’t bode well.

Let the fucker rot in prison

He is no more vulnerable than any other criminal

SerenityNowwwww Tue 01-Sep-20 17:58:39

A grown up 61 year old is crying vulnerability over a 14 year old runaway girl?

NiceGerbil Tue 01-Sep-20 18:02:10

Yes no one knows what happened while she was unconscious.

I know what my guess would be.

Whatwouldscullydo Tue 01-Sep-20 18:04:44

Yes it does matter as many children are taught to approach shop person/ police/ person with kids/ woman if they need help

If she felt able to ask for help or knew who to go to she probably wouldn't have run away from home.

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