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Transgender in Sweden - what stage are they now?

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gardenbird48 Fri 21-Aug-20 08:52:59

Sorry if this has been covered before but it is a very interesting article.

www.theguardian.com/society/2020/feb/22/ssweden-teenage-transgender-row-dysphoria-diagnoses-soar Filter magazine profiled the case of Jennifer Ring, a 32-year-old trans woman who hanged herself four years after her surgery. An expert on psychosis who was shown her medical journal by her father, Avi Ring, was quoted as saying that she had shown clear signs of psychosis at the time she first sought treatment for gender dysphoria.
Indeed, the first clinic she approached refused to treat her, citing signs of schizotypal symptoms and lack of a history of gender dysphoria. But the team at Karolinska went ahead. “Karolinska don’t stop anyone; virtually 100% get sex reassignment,” says Ring.
This is a very clear article that described the scandal appearing to kick off in Sweden when people realised what was happening with the proposed changes to their laws on transitioning. The GI clinic claims caution but seems to support transition in all their patients. There are detransitioners and former activists with regret of their surgery. A clear warning for caution at the time but we haven’t heard much from Sweden on the situation today. Is there a Swedish Mumsnet?

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Kettlingur Fri 21-Aug-20 08:59:05

There used to be a Scandinavian gender critical subreddit but it was probably banned along with others

NecessaryScene1 Fri 21-Aug-20 13:30:58

Don't know about the latest news but the pair of SVT "Trans Train" documentaries last year apparently had a significant impact, and managed to stop a proposed lowering of surgery age limits.

Part one here - don't have a live link to part two, but I didn't think it was as strong.

archive.org/details/the-trans-train-a-swedish-docu-english-subtitles

The main detransitioner interview subject Sametti is actually Finnish, but most of the rest of it is focused on Sweden and their Karolinska Institute. There's also a bit about the Tavistock situation, and an interview with Marcus Evans.

gardenbird48 Fri 21-Aug-20 14:40:29

Thank you Necessary I’ll have a look at that. It sounds like they achieved enough objective thinking in government to begin to push back the tide but it would be interesting to see whether that resulted in stronger campaigning by the activists or less traction overall for the movement. I’ll dig a bit more as well.

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MoaMy Fri 21-Aug-20 16:58:28

The Scandinavian gender critical subreddit was indeed banned, might be recreated in the future on Ovarit though.

I think the second part of the Trans Train documentary (or some follow up at any rate) mentioned that the number of teens transitioning had gone down significantly after the first part was broadcast.

In December 2019 there was a lawsuit brought on behalf of of an 11 year old transgender student who wanted to use the girls gym class changing room at school, but the court struck it down and said the school had gone beyond what the law requires by offering a gender neutral changing room.

www.svt.se/nyheter/lokalt/stockholm/transtjej-nekades-byta-om-bland-tjejerna-i-dag-kommer-domen

A few days ago there was an article in a Swedish newspaper from a trans activist trying to argue for medical transition of children, and it was pretty obvious they are running out of arguments. A good chunk of the article was spent lamenting that media no longer shows how happy children are getting hormones of the opposite sex and how happy trans men are after mastectomy (their words!) (not sure Swedish media ever showed much of that, but if they did and have now stopped, that's great.)

They could no longer threaten that children will kill themselves if they don't get hormones, since that Trans Train documentary thoroughly looked into it and didn't find a single case of it happening, despite lengthy wait times. So now their main argument/threat is that it's better if children get dangerous hormones from a physician so they can get tested regularly, otherwise they will get hormones from the internet and without monitoring the potentially lethal side effects might kill them.

It's like, when you're reduced to arguing that children should be given hormones BECAUSE of how dangerous they are, you really don't have any real arguments left.

Cache of the article: archive.is/vj5Rq

Got to give a lot of credit to professor Christopher Gillberg (whom the above article talks a lot about) for criticizing the medical transitioning of children. Gillberg has been a controversial figure for a long time so he's unlikely to cave to pressure.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Gillberg

The Swedish Women's Lobby, which is a huge umbrella organisation, has also been critical of child transition and the potential undermining of women's rights. They have received a lot less media attention than the male professor though.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swedish_Women%27s_Lobby

sverigeskvinnolobby.se/transpersoner-i-sverige/

sverigeskvinnolobby.se/kvinnors-och-flickors-rattigheter-moter-transinkludering-sveriges-kvinnolobbys-stallningstaganden-och-forslag/

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