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Panorama tonight: people or women in DV situations during ockdown

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anotherhumanfemale Mon 17-Aug-20 08:18:27

The 8am news on R4 just talked about tonight's Panorama on DV during lockdown.

Anybody heard it? It reported thatPanorama talked to Woman's Aid about "people" in DV relationships who contacted them, talked to the police about "women" in DV relationships and more along the same lines..basically it seems that "people" and "women" are interchangeable. I have absolutely no idea if the programme is about people in DV situations or specifically women.

They talk to a woman who had difficulty finding a place inside refuge. I'm not even sure how they knew she was a woman.

I am hoping the programme itself knows which segment of the population it's investigating. Nothing wrong with looking at men and women victims, but mixing it up is just nonsensical.

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SheWhoMustNotBeHeard Mon 17-Aug-20 09:13:09

Oh it's like this article in the Guardian.

"Each year 2 million people in the UK are affected by domestic abuse, and during the lockdown there was a sharp increase in incidents as victims were trapped at home with perpetrators."

It mentions woman twice when they are talking about particular incidents. The rest of the time it's people.

Ginger1982 Mon 17-Aug-20 09:51:25

Victoria Derbyshire is fronting it. There was an article on the BBC website about it which seemed quite fair to me.

persistentwoman Mon 17-Aug-20 09:58:25

I've just listened to Chloe McCardel who's just swum the English channel for the 35th time being interviewed on ITV. She was unashamedly speaking about women and domestic violence. It was such a relief to hear her speak factually and openly without any of the tortured interruptions about "of course men also...." etc

Angryresister Mon 17-Aug-20 10:45:35

Here it is called gender violence. Everyone knows we are talking about women and girls, and there have been no murders of men by women. The excuse is that calling it male violence has not been made law by parliament... ratifying the Istanbul convention. Some of us will persist in speaking of male violence however...

Noflora Mon 17-Aug-20 11:47:06

I just read the article by Victoria Derbyshire on the front page of BBC site. It is at great pains to mention the men affected by DV but totally omits to mention the sex of the perpetrators. The 2 examples discussed are Jess (a woman with male abuser) and VD's family (father abuser). So the man killed by DV and the 65% uptick in male calls to a helpline that are mentioned are what?

DuDuDuLangaLangaBingBong Mon 17-Aug-20 12:17:14

In the three weeks the VD article references (start of lockdown to beginning of government scheme) I can only find one Male death reported and he Is alleged to be the perpetrator of a family annihilation (killed his wife and two kids and committed suicide).

Will keep googling...

GrandmaMazur Mon 17-Aug-20 12:24:46

Some of the wording in that BBC article is interesting - Women’s Aid does research into the effect of lockdown on domestic abuse by talking to ‘people’ while a discussion about Respect Men’s Advice Line refers to an increase in calls from male victims.

persistentwoman Mon 17-Aug-20 21:14:52

I watched this and was pleased that there was no denial that this is essentially a crime against women. It was gruelling in places with women allowed to speak freely about the awful abuse that they faced and how lockdown compounded their danger.
All credit to Panorama and Victoria Derbyshire.

Angryresister Mon 17-Aug-20 22:44:21

In the end it was quite powerful as all the references were about he and him as the perpetrators except for one line about all the male examples produced or details given, think it was just the obligatory other sude so beloved by the BBC. Otherwise quite clear on who is hurting who.

anotherhumanfemale Tue 18-Aug-20 07:18:47

Persistent and Angry
I'm so happy to hear this. I wasn't able to watch but hopefully will later.

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Muttonindistress Tue 18-Aug-20 08:47:11


In the three weeks the VD article references (start of lockdown to beginning of government scheme) I can only find one Male death reported and he Is alleged to be the perpetrator of a family annihilation (killed his wife and two kids and committed suicide).

Will keep googling...

The programme gave the figures as 11 women, 1 man and 2 children, so I wonder if the man and children did refer to this case. It would be odd to include him as a case of DV though. Though of course MRAs are always accusing women of driving men to suicide.

The programme was very good. Looking not just at the Coronavirus effect, but the issue of DV generally and the shortage of refuges. It was definitely very female centred but with an acknowledgement of male victims - so I think the balance was right. It did mention the ONS figures which say that one third of victims are male though - which I think are somewhat misleading.

I had a thought when I was watching. Would it be possible to set up a system where people take DV victims into their own homes? A bit like emergency foster care - but for adults. Could that work?

DuDuDuLangaLangaBingBong Tue 18-Aug-20 14:03:03

I suppose it could just be a mis-translation from police speak to journo speak (with the police totting up ‘fatal incidents’ relating to DV as it’s still too soon for them to be sorted into conviction categories/inquest decisions).

Often when a man is murdered in a domestic violence incident he is murdered by another man, with both victim and perpetrator being ex/current partners of a woman.

This is why the term ‘intimate partner violence’ is useful, because it determines the perpetrator is a partner or ex partner of the victim, whereas ‘domestic violence’ is broader and can even indicate an adolescent or adult child offending against a parent.

Will look up the programme now it’s been recommended, thanks!

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