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Feminism: Sex & gender discussions

New show on CBBC

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NeurotrashWarrior · 12/08/2020 16:50

Trailer

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*Uploaded on 11 Aug 2020
First Day starts 19th August on CBBC and BBC iPlayer 👉 https://bbc.in/3aePdf7

First Day is a new CBBC drama about 12-year-old transgender girl Hannah Bradford adjusts to high school at the start of a new year.

Watch more of CBBC on BBC iPlayer 👉 https://www.bbc.co.uk/tv/cbbc

For more fun, CBBC games, shows, quizzes and great makes visit http://www.bbc.co.uk/cbbc/

#CBBC #FirstDay

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Smurftastic · 12/08/2020 18:08

WHY!!!

MrsJamin · 12/08/2020 18:09

Have they learned NOTHING?!

ScrimpshawTheSecond · 12/08/2020 18:15

highame · 12/08/2020 18:20

Just because there is a lot of controversy at the moment, I can't see why there shouldn't be a kids programme about trans. After all, programmes about LGBT aimed at young people can break down barriers and minimise discrimination.

I would hate to see GC views become like TRA views, because it is a danger

OneEpisode · 12/08/2020 18:23

The lead is a 12 year old character played by a trans actor. Hannah’s main interest is taekwondo.
Any parents watching might wonder at that. I don’t follow taekwondo, but that’s a contact sport?

AnyOldPrion · 12/08/2020 18:23

“Have they learned NOTHING?!”

Things being shown now will have been commissioned a very long time ago. Things are starting to move away from this fad and many have predicted the rate of change will accelerate. But there is momentum in the arts and it will take time for a change of direction. They will try to salvage what they can, but a lot of publishing houses will shortly be cursing their shortsightedness and trying to offload all the young wokesters who believe working is optional if they disapprove of the subject matter.

OneEpisode · 12/08/2020 18:25

This is Australian, and the pilot was financed by a program to support women, the “Girls Initiative”. And launched for the “Day of the Girl”.
The support does seem to be coming from the top...

Quaagars · 12/08/2020 18:29

This fad?
What's a fad? Being trans?

Joeblack066 · 12/08/2020 18:41

That’s brilliant! Many trans people know that they are trans from the moment they are conscious of self. However society, pressure to conform and lack of representation often means they cannot be open about it. This is a great step.
Or would you rather have a depressed/ suicidal child who is living a lie?

OldCrone · 12/08/2020 18:52

Many trans people know that they are trans from the moment they are conscious of self.

Can you explain a bit more about this? How do they know?

AnyOldPrion · 12/08/2020 19:04

What's a fad?

The coverage of trans issues, trans programming, books about trans is absolutely a fad. A medical condition that affects less than 1% of the population is currently massively over-represented in the media. A member of the company I publish with have even stated that they would dearly love to find a trans author so they can jump on the bandwagon.

AnyOldPrion · 12/08/2020 19:12

Many trans people know that they are trans from the moment they are conscious of self.

And every trans story I have read mentioned intense bullying from a parent or close relative for any behaviour patterns that do not conform to gendered expectations.

Given that expression of personality begins to show long before proper consciousness of self occurs, it seems just as likely to me that the bullying is the cause of the child coming to the wrong conclusion about the sex they must/should be, rather than the bullying being a result of the individual “being trans”.

bellinisurge · 12/08/2020 19:19

If this child does a contact sport, will it show them kicking the shit out of girls as they go through puberty?
Or sharing a changing room with girls who are made to feel guilty about being self conscious when taking their clothes off in front of a male bodied person?

NeurotrashWarrior · 12/08/2020 19:25

Adjusts to high school how?

Makes sure that they can access the female loos where young teens are navigating their first periods? Changing rooms?

How would this drama run if it was a transboy? The audience would see the issues immediately.

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TreestumpsAndTrampolines · 12/08/2020 19:27

However society, pressure to conform

I don't understand how this removes the pressure to conform?

Gottalife · 12/08/2020 20:08

@bellinisurge

If this child does a contact sport, will it show them kicking the shit out of girls as they go through puberty?
Or sharing a changing room with girls who are made to feel guilty about being self conscious when taking their clothes off in front of a male bodied person?

Oh give me strength. Of course not. Control your imagination.

Quaagars · 12/08/2020 20:09

Wondering why people are just shouting WHY and have they learnt NOTHING? What exactly is the issue, what should they have learnt?
Surely it's good if trans people are represented in media, if it makes them feel less alone, that there are others out there too?
Just like gay people, surely it's a good thing if people see there are other people the same?
Some of these comments reminds me of section 28 in a way, should we just hide trans people away, not raise awareness, not normalise (for want of a better word!) show they're just people too, like we are?

Quaagars · 12/08/2020 20:13

After all, programmes about LGBT aimed at young people can break down barriers and minimise discrimination

That's what I was getting at, but you put much more succinctly than I

LockdownLump · 12/08/2020 20:17

That’s brilliant! Many trans people know that they are trans from the moment they are conscious of self. However society, pressure to conform and lack of representation often means they cannot be open about it. This is a great step.
Or would you rather have a depressed/ suicidal child who is living a lie?

What would be "brilliant", would be a society, where people who didn't want to perform the role of a societal stereotypes, didn't have to and they didn't get shit for it from narrow minded people

What would be "brilliant", would be people being able to be whoever they want, whilst being allowed to be comfortable in their own bodies, without binding, tucking and medical interventions.

What would be "brilliant", would be the realisation that it's societal stereotypes of 'gender' that cause harm.

That would be "brilliant"

NeurotrashWarrior · 12/08/2020 20:22

Surely it's good if trans people are represented in media, if it makes them feel less alone, that there are others out there too?

Adults are different to children.

It's lying to the children who watch this programme on cbbc, that this child, the hero of the story, is a different sex.

I'm yet to see if this means they can claim access to young girls' loos, but I expect so. Girls who protest are generally portrayed as unkind. Rather than trying to define their boundaries.

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scotsheather · 12/08/2020 20:31

Wiki page. I had heard of this already.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Day_(TV_series)

Told to use "sick bay" toilet (disabled) at first but eventually the girls. And doesn't want people to know "she" is actually a boy trans, how sad anyone considers this necessary. Complains bitterly of not being allowed to a sleepover.

rogdmum · 12/08/2020 20:38

Re whether or not this show should be on- it depends on whether you believe in the concept of a “trans” child or not- I.e. whether you instead view it as a child with gender dysphoria or a child with an innate sense that they are the opposite gender.

Depending on your view, you could then see this show as being very positive or very negative in terms of influence as outlined in this recent paper on the impact of the media: jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle/2768726

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NeurotrashWarrior · 12/08/2020 20:41

Gender non conformity needs to be mainstream, not gaslighting girls before they've even hit puberty.

Setting the scene for life as a biological female from the age of 11 with coercion, lies and emotional manipulation through a children's drama.

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NeurotrashWarrior · 12/08/2020 20:52

Thanks ROGDmum. Interesting, but not surprising.

I knew a boy who lived pink and princesses, he only started talking about being a girl when someone told him he had a woman trapped inside his head after they'd watched a documentary.

Luckily, GIDS helped him work out he enjoyed those things as the boy he was, as this definitely wasn't dysphoria with himself, rather with society's rigid views of gender stereotyping. He was later diagnosed with autism, which explained why he didn't care about peer opinions of him going against the norm. I'd have to often show him things like women footballers when he refused to play football as it "was for boys only" etc. And footballers wearing pink. He got interested in fashion and styling as a teen and came out as gay.

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OldCrone · 12/08/2020 20:57

It's lying to the children who watch this programme on cbbc, that this child, the hero of the story, is a different sex.

The other lie is teaching children that it's possible to change sex.

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