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The Ultimate Guide To Policing Language?

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BitOfFun · 07/08/2020 22:17

Depressing, in a way, but there are laughs to be had in the comments as we see the wokesters contort themselves right up...well, themselves.

The Radical Copyeditor's Style Guide

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OhHolyJesus · 07/08/2020 22:43

Oh dear, the purity spirals.

So sad to see that posters commenting actually teach journalism and others saying it's an essential guide to all editors.

I've already stopped watching the news, now I might have to stop reading it too FFS.

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VictoriaLucas102 · 07/08/2020 23:19

Fucks sake. I actually feel sorry for her. How she managed to stay so cheery! ... I’m sure she must grind her teeth hard when she’s asleep.

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MarkRuffaloCrumble · 07/08/2020 23:44

I’m just leaving this here without comment.

2.4.1. Always use a person’s correct name, pronouns (or lack thereof), and prefix (if any). Always.

Use: Avery dyed zir hair; Lynn loves their grandson; Monica is her own best advocate; Marcus drove gher car with care; Xander tied hir shoes; Sam ate Sam’s lunch at Sam’s apartment

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aliasundercover · 07/08/2020 23:49

2.4.2. Using a trans person’s birth name or former pronouns without permission (even when talking about them in the past) is a form of violence

No it isn't.

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Cascade220 · 07/08/2020 23:51

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FannyCann · 08/08/2020 00:25

Always use a person’s correct name, pronouns (or lack thereof), and prefix (if any). Always.

Why wouldn't you? Working in the NHS we are expected to ask patients how they would like to be addressed.

Me "Can you confirm your name?"
Old lady "Mrs X"
Me "What would you like me to call you"
Old lady "My name obviously". Massive eye roll. Grin

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JackiesArmy · 08/08/2020 00:28

"When I paint my nails and grow my hair long and wear earrings, I am conforming to the stereotypical expectations of my birth assigned sex. As a trans man, these are gender non-conforming behaviours. I am gender non conforming and trans."

You what now?

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Xanthangum · 08/08/2020 00:34

Does trans have a different meaning from transgender? In brief, yes and no.

This is just so helpful.

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BitOfFun · 08/08/2020 00:38

I particularly enjoyed being told that penises and vaginas are problematic.

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ItsLateHumpty · 08/08/2020 00:38

And they still get to label us.

A note on “TERF”: TERF stands for “trans-exclusionary radical feminist” and refers to people (most of whom are older, white, cis women) who believe that trans women are actually men. I personally don’t like referring to such folks as radical feminists because to me the brand of gender essentialism and violence they represent is antithetical to radical feminism, but it is vital to name them as anti-trans or trans-exclusionary. They refer to themselves as “gender critical” feminists, which is a harmful euphemism that should only be used in quotes.

Also 🙄 to this poster. Or can we all now say we’re gender non-conforming and trans?

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September 2, 2017 at 12:46 am
Gender non-conforming should not be considered in reference to birth assigned sex but in reference to socially ascribed gender.

When I paint my nails and grow my hair long and wear earrings, I am conforming to the stereotypical expectations of my birth assigned sex. As a trans man, these are gender non-conforming behaviours. I am gender non conforming and trans.

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ItsLateHumpty · 08/08/2020 00:40

Sorry JackiesArmy I spent too long rolling my eyes, and hadn’t seen your post when I commented. Glad to know I wasn’t the only one to note that contribution though Grin

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BitOfFun · 08/08/2020 00:42

Oh, and this bit deserves some attention:

⇒ A note on “TERF”: TERF stands for “trans-exclusionary radical feminist” and refers to people (most of whom are older, white, cis women) who believe that trans women are actually men. I personally don’t like referring to such folks as radical feminists because to me the brand of gender essentialism and violence they represent is antithetical to radical feminism, but it is vital to name them as anti-trans or trans-exclusionary. They refer to themselves as “gender critical” feminists, which is a harmful euphemism that should only be used in quotes.

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Delphinium20 · 08/08/2020 00:47

Well now...I'm surprised she didn't use this to define "Karen" :⇒ A note on “TERF”: TERF stands for “trans-exclusionary radical feminist” and refers to people (most of whom are older, white, cis women)"

So being old and white and female is STILL unacceptable. That's old news.

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Xanthangum · 08/08/2020 00:48

the brand of gender essentialism and violence

...people who say that women are women. Where is the violence? So much angry hate...

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FWRLurker · 08/08/2020 00:57

Presented without comment (by article author)

As a person of faith, I often compare “queer” to the word “God.” My understanding of queer, or god, does not have to be the same as your understanding of queer, or god.

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BitOfFun · 08/08/2020 01:10

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Vermeil · 08/08/2020 07:37

This is what happens when you set yourself up to appeal to the chronically woke. They’re never, ever, satisfied unless you provide them with a chance to, at minimum, mildly tell you off and make you grovel, or ideally get some use out of their collection of stakes and firewood. It’s not really about making corrections, either, it’s more like wanking off your own ego, ‘I’m so very sensitive, and so very correct. Look at how sensitive and correct I am. LOOK AT MEEEE!!!!’.
Note how the sensitive and correct people in that comments thread have made the point of mentioning their non-binary or genderqueerness. They’re just ordinary, boring arseholes like everybody else, but they can’t stand that, so they inflict their conveniently nebulous but oh-so-deeply-personal bloody identity into everyone else, as though it’s a way of making yourself more interesting without having to put in the work. Everyone else does the work for ‘them’.

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highame · 08/08/2020 08:20

Do Alex and his adoring fans know how very, very Exclusionary this crap is, even if it made sense

or is that the point?

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MyVisionsComeFromSoup · 08/08/2020 08:44

you're not allowed to use a word to describe a person if they don't want that word used to describe them apparently. Why does that work for queer but not for cis?

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BitOfFun · 08/08/2020 19:56

@Glinner, this might amuse you...

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bishopgiggles · 08/08/2020 23:46

Always use a person’s correct name, pronouns (or lack thereof), and prefix (if any). Always.

This language suggests that any time you refer to a person you must use their name, pronouns AND prefix. Always. Not "or", or "and/or", or "as appropriate". You must use all three.

So Mrs Maureen Phillips (she/her) was on Mrs Maureen Phillips (she/her)'s way to the shops when Mrs Maureen Phillips (she/her) saw Mrs Maureen Phillips (she/her)'s friend, Mr Robert Williams (he/him). Mr Robert Williams (he/him) waved hello and asked Mrs Maureen Phillips (she/her) if Mrs Maureen Phillips (she/her) was going to pick up the tablets Mrs Maureen Phillips (she/her) had mentioned to Mr Robert Williams (he/him) only last Thursday.

What an inconvenient thing to specify!

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bishopgiggles · 08/08/2020 23:50

3.2. Do not use LGBTQ or its many variants (LGBT, LGBTQIA+, etc.) as a synonym for gay.

I do approve of this!

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BitOfFun · 09/08/2020 01:50

Yes, that one is fair enough.

I still think it's ridiculous to assume that transgender people would be at risk of disassociating if they read the words 'penis' or 'vagina'.

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