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The Ultimate Guide To Policing Language?

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BitOfFun Fri 07-Aug-20 22:17:26

Depressing, in a way, but there are laughs to be had in the comments as we see the wokesters contort themselves right up...well, themselves.

The Radical Copyeditor's Style Guide

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OhHolyJesus Fri 07-Aug-20 22:43:11

Oh dear, the purity spirals.

So sad to see that posters commenting actually teach journalism and others saying it's an essential guide to all editors.

I've already stopped watching the news, now I might have to stop reading it too FFS.

VictoriaLucas102 Fri 07-Aug-20 23:19:17

Fucks sake. I actually feel sorry for her. How she managed to stay so cheery! ... I’m sure she must grind her teeth hard when she’s asleep.

MarkRuffaloCrumble Fri 07-Aug-20 23:44:49

I’m just leaving this here without comment.

2.4.1. Always use a person’s correct name, pronouns (or lack thereof), and prefix (if any). Always.

Use: Avery dyed zir hair; Lynn loves their grandson; Monica is her own best advocate; Marcus drove gher car with care; Xander tied hir shoes; Sam ate Sam’s lunch at Sam’s apartment

aliasundercover Fri 07-Aug-20 23:49:23

2.4.2. Using a trans person’s birth name or former pronouns without permission (even when talking about them in the past) is a form of violence

No it isn't.

Cascade220 Fri 07-Aug-20 23:51:07

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

FannyCann Sat 08-Aug-20 00:25:16

Always use a person’s correct name, pronouns (or lack thereof), and prefix (if any). Always.

Why wouldn't you? Working in the NHS we are expected to ask patients how they would like to be addressed.

Me "Can you confirm your name?"
Old lady "Mrs X"
Me "What would you like me to call you"
Old lady "My name obviously". Massive eye roll. grin

JackiesArmy Sat 08-Aug-20 00:28:29

"When I paint my nails and grow my hair long and wear earrings, I am conforming to the stereotypical expectations of my birth assigned sex. As a trans man, these are gender non-conforming behaviours. I am gender non conforming and trans."

You what now?

Xanthangum Sat 08-Aug-20 00:34:40

Does trans have a different meaning from transgender? In brief, yes and no.

This is just so helpful.

BitOfFun Sat 08-Aug-20 00:38:19

I particularly enjoyed being told that penises and vaginas are problematic.

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ItsLateHumpty Sat 08-Aug-20 00:38:42

And they still get to label us.

A note on “TERF”: TERF stands for “trans-exclusionary radical feminist” and refers to people (most of whom are older, white, cis women) who believe that trans women are actually men. I personally don’t like referring to such folks as radical feminists because to me the brand of gender essentialism and violence they represent is antithetical to radical feminism, but it is vital to name them as anti-trans or trans-exclusionary. They refer to themselves as “gender critical” feminists, which is a harmful euphemism that should only be used in quotes.

Also 🙄 to this poster. Or can we all now say we’re gender non-conforming and trans?

AboutHalfThree says:
September 2, 2017 at 12:46 am
Gender non-conforming should not be considered in reference to birth assigned sex but in reference to socially ascribed gender.

When I paint my nails and grow my hair long and wear earrings, I am conforming to the stereotypical expectations of my birth assigned sex. As a trans man, these are gender non-conforming behaviours. I am gender non conforming and trans.

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ItsLateHumpty Sat 08-Aug-20 00:40:52

Sorry JackiesArmy I spent too long rolling my eyes, and hadn’t seen your post when I commented. Glad to know I wasn’t the only one to note that contribution though grin

BitOfFun Sat 08-Aug-20 00:42:27

Oh, and this bit deserves some attention:

⇒ A note on “TERF”: TERF stands for “trans-exclusionary radical feminist” and refers to people (most of whom are older, white, cis women) who believe that trans women are actually men. I personally don’t like referring to such folks as radical feminists because to me the brand of gender essentialism and violence they represent is antithetical to radical feminism, but it is vital to name them as anti-trans or trans-exclusionary. They refer to themselves as “gender critical” feminists, which is a harmful euphemism that should only be used in quotes.

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Delphinium20 Sat 08-Aug-20 00:47:27

Well now...I'm surprised she didn't use this to define "Karen" :⇒ A note on “TERF”: TERF stands for “trans-exclusionary radical feminist” and refers to people (most of whom are older, white, cis women)"

So being old and white and female is STILL unacceptable. That's old news.

Xanthangum Sat 08-Aug-20 00:48:50

the brand of gender essentialism and violence

...people who say that women are women. Where is the violence? So much angry hate...

FWRLurker Sat 08-Aug-20 00:57:20

Presented without comment (by article author)

As a person of faith, I often compare “queer” to the word “God.” My understanding of queer, or god, does not have to be the same as your understanding of queer, or god.

BitOfFun Sat 08-Aug-20 01:10:46

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Vermeil Sat 08-Aug-20 07:37:51

This is what happens when you set yourself up to appeal to the chronically woke. They’re never, ever, satisfied unless you provide them with a chance to, at minimum, mildly tell you off and make you grovel, or ideally get some use out of their collection of stakes and firewood. It’s not really about making corrections, either, it’s more like wanking off your own ego, ‘I’m so very sensitive, and so very correct. Look at how sensitive and correct I am. LOOK AT MEEEE!!!!’.
Note how the sensitive and correct people in that comments thread have made the point of mentioning their non-binary or genderqueerness. They’re just ordinary, boring arseholes like everybody else, but they can’t stand that, so they inflict their conveniently nebulous but oh-so-deeply-personal bloody identity into everyone else, as though it’s a way of making yourself more interesting without having to put in the work. Everyone else does the work for ‘them’.

highame Sat 08-Aug-20 08:20:59

Do Alex and his adoring fans know how very, very Exclusionary this crap is, even if it made sense

or is that the point?

MyVisionsComeFromSoup Sat 08-Aug-20 08:44:49

you're not allowed to use a word to describe a person if they don't want that word used to describe them apparently. Why does that work for queer but not for cis?

BitOfFun Sat 08-Aug-20 19:56:52

@Glinner, this might amuse you...

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bishopgiggles Sat 08-Aug-20 23:46:47

Always use a person’s correct name, pronouns (or lack thereof), and prefix (if any). Always.

This language suggests that any time you refer to a person you must use their name, pronouns AND prefix. Always. Not "or", or "and/or", or "as appropriate". You must use all three.

So Mrs Maureen Phillips (she/her) was on Mrs Maureen Phillips (she/her)'s way to the shops when Mrs Maureen Phillips (she/her) saw Mrs Maureen Phillips (she/her)'s friend, Mr Robert Williams (he/him). Mr Robert Williams (he/him) waved hello and asked Mrs Maureen Phillips (she/her) if Mrs Maureen Phillips (she/her) was going to pick up the tablets Mrs Maureen Phillips (she/her) had mentioned to Mr Robert Williams (he/him) only last Thursday.

What an inconvenient thing to specify!

bishopgiggles Sat 08-Aug-20 23:50:34

3.2. Do not use LGBTQ or its many variants (LGBT, LGBTQIA+, etc.) as a synonym for gay.

I do approve of this!

BitOfFun Sun 09-Aug-20 01:50:58

Yes, that one is fair enough.

I still think it's ridiculous to assume that transgender people would be at risk of disassociating if they read the words 'penis' or 'vagina'.

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