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TheTamingOfTheresa Thu 09-Jul-20 11:58:26

Can anyone help me find an article outlining a story about a young girl’s mother unsuccessfully asking staff to challenge a naked man self- identifying as a woman from a changing room ? My friend insists this scenario could never have happened but I know I read it somewhere

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DuDuDuLangaLangaBingBong Thu 09-Jul-20 12:06:55

How about an entire girls waterpolo team seeing a penis in the women’s shower?

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.desertsun.com/amp/2670287002

California, not Canada though!

Aesopfable Thu 09-Jul-20 12:07:37

Why does your friend think this could never happen? What does she think self ID is? Or does she think no legislator would be so foolish as to allow people to self ID? If the latter just point to the legislation that is already being put in place.

EdgeOfACoin Thu 09-Jul-20 12:09:14

I know a lifeguard posted something like that on Reddit once. A mother asked him to remove a bearded bloke from a swimming pool female changing room but as the bloke identified as female, the lifeguard couldn't take any action.

May not be the same one as you're thinking of, though. The lifeguard said he felt bad about it. (For some reason I seem to recall that the lifeguard was male.)

DeRigueurMortis Thu 09-Jul-20 12:11:08

https://fairplayforwomen.com/examples/

You can find examples here including one from Canada.

SarahTancredi Thu 09-Jul-20 12:18:59

I love how the article says about how they are now putting up curtains and increasing supervision.

Why is that...

Same with the school loos really, every one whos for them says about how much supervision and checks are done yet fail to acknowledge why....

Where were these staff before...if there was as much bullying and need fir supervision where was it all then?

Almost as if they are allowed to hint at the obvious but we can't say

www.google.co.uk/search?source=hp&ei=yvwGX9-VNqCo1fAP_8uCsAI&q=jessica+yaniv+bathrooms&oq=jessica+yaniv+bat&gs_lcp=ChFtb2JpbGUtZ3dzLXdpei1ocBABGAAyAggAMgUIIRCgATIFCCEQoAEyBQghEKABOggIKRCxAxCDAToFCCkQgwE6AggpOggIKRAWEB0QHjoFCCkQiwM6BAgpEEc6BQgAELEDOggILhCxAxCDAToCCC46CAgAELEDEIMBOgsILhCxAxCDARCTAjoFCC4QsQM6CAguELEDEJMCOgcILhAKEJMCOgQIABAKOgYIABAWEB5Q8ApYzy9g3TdoAXAAeACAAWWIAYELkgEEMTYuMpgBAKABAbABDw&sclient=mobile-gws-wiz-hp#imgrc=f3gVKmFP91L9TM

Here you go op something that never happened

andyoldlabour Thu 09-Jul-20 12:32:00

This isn't the one, I am still looking, but this happened in Toronto.

www.thestar.com/news/gta/2019/07/07/man-22-accused-of-voyeurism-after-allegedly-recording-women-in-change-rooms.html

There is this

www.womenarehuman.com/male-couple-transgender-file-complaint-after-being-denied-access-to-womens-locker-room-its-disgusting/

This

www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/mixed-gender-changing-rooms-st-stephen-1.4590501

This

www.buzzfeed.com/laurasilver/puregym-trans-woman-changing-room

Transgirl using girl's changing rooms

www.womenarehuman.com/transgender-volley-ball-player/

And this

www.themix.net/2019/11/swimmer-reacts-transgender-locker-room/

TheTamingOfTheresa Thu 09-Jul-20 12:51:14

Huge gratitude to everyone. I have felt less alone since I found you all ; it’s hugely helpful for me in this climate of insanity x

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SarahTancredi Thu 09-Jul-20 12:55:42

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/transgender-teen-lila-perry-just-wants-to-be-respected-by-her-classmates-10483675.html%3famp

SarahTancredi Thu 09-Jul-20 12:59:00

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7811843/amp/Transgender-AFL-player-vents-fury-kicked-Australias-womens-handball-team.html

Not Canada. But demonstrating a certain attitude we come to expect from a certain class 50 percent of the population who react a certain way when told no.

Unable to shower with female team mates they quit the team...hmm

FantaOra Thu 09-Jul-20 13:00:38

A photo of Yaniv in a women's changing room with his cossie on.

thefederalist.com/2019/12/05/transgender-activist-jessica-yaniv-shocked-gynecologists-dont-treat-men/

SarahTancredi Thu 09-Jul-20 13:12:46

www.womenarehuman.com/male-transgender-boasts-of-harassing-women-in-crisis-shelter/

Not changing rooms but another supposedly safe space.

CatandtheFiddle Thu 09-Jul-20 13:24:32

Can I piggy back on this thread to ask what people feel about being called "prudish" or "over-modest" or "uptight" about mixed sex changing rooms?

Setting aside the voyeur/sexual harasser/sexual assault aspects, have people come up against the:

"What-are-you-so-worried-about-bodies-are-natural-girls-should-not freak-out-at-seeing-penises"
argument.
What do you say (seeking handy hints & tips for the next time I'm accused of prudishness.

breadfan1 Thu 09-Jul-20 13:43:03

‘So is masturbation but I don’t want to see someone doing it on a bus/in street/at the pool’

SarahTancredi Thu 09-Jul-20 13:44:34

I would probably just ask, why is it on us to be OK with penises , as opposed to men to be OK with not exposing themselves to unconcenting women and girls, and why do they see boundaries and consent and safeguarding as problematic .

Thelnebriati Thu 09-Jul-20 13:57:54

CatandtheFiddle
Its not ok to expose girls to an increased risk, and expect them to make a complaint after the fact. That enables abuse. Predators look for weak safeguarding.

DuDuDuLangaLangaBingBong Thu 09-Jul-20 13:59:50

CatandtheFiddle

Can I piggy back on this thread to ask what people feel about being called "prudish" or "over-modest" or "uptight" about mixed sex changing rooms?

Setting aside the voyeur/sexual harasser/sexual assault aspects, have people come up against the:

"What-are-you-so-worried-about-bodies-are-natural-girls-should-not freak-out-at-seeing-penises"
argument.
What do you say (seeking handy hints & tips for the next time I'm accused of prudishness.

The first and only time I used a mixed sex changing village a man stuck his head under the side of my cubicle. This was more than 20 years ago and I have deliberately avoided them ever since,

I was actually working in a hostess/table dancing club at the time, so even someone whose idea of consent is so scrambled they will drink champagne in their underwear with (fully clothed) bankers knows that being creeped on by voyeurs at the swimming baths is wrong.

It’s got nothing to do with prudishness and everything to do with privacy and safety.

You may quote me!

Mumsnut Thu 09-Jul-20 14:45:49

Cat and the Fiddle: There was an article somewhere by a female prisoner who had been forced to share showers with a transwoman inmate, and was told that their erection was a physiological
response the transwoman had no control over , so no harm no foul according to the prison authorities. Even if our daughters are supposed to
Overlook the penises, would the people challenging your think the erections are ok to view?

SarahTancredi Thu 09-Jul-20 14:49:42

mobile.twitter.com/mason134211f/status/1204383246139695106

Was it this youtube video mums

Mumsnut Thu 09-Jul-20 14:51:53

Very probably

curleyismyname Thu 09-Jul-20 19:56:57

I would say that girls should only see a penis when they are ready to see a penis.And with their explicit consent

Lamahaha Thu 09-Jul-20 21:13:36

Can I piggy back on this thread to ask what people feel about being called "prudish" or "over-modest" or "uptight" about mixed sex changing rooms?

I don't care about any of these so-called slurs. I particularly embrace the term "prudish". My naked body is private; only those I permit to do so are allowed to see it, and I don't like it being seen by strangers. This was the case even when I was young and many times more physically appealing. I never liked men ogling me, I did not like to be called sexy (because I wasn't) and I was not interested in men who thought they had a right to my body. And I am heterosexual.
To me, the greatest freedom is freedom from sexual needs. Which by modern standards is certainly prudish or uptight, but I just don't care.

wellbehavedwomen Thu 09-Jul-20 21:22:14

CatandtheFiddle

Can I piggy back on this thread to ask what people feel about being called "prudish" or "over-modest" or "uptight" about mixed sex changing rooms?

Setting aside the voyeur/sexual harasser/sexual assault aspects, have people come up against the:

"What-are-you-so-worried-about-bodies-are-natural-girls-should-not freak-out-at-seeing-penises"
argument.
What do you say (seeking handy hints & tips for the next time I'm accused of prudishness.

I'd point out that 90% of sexual assaults happen in 30% of changing rooms, because the latter are unisex. Other people can be as cool, inclusive and welcoming of an increased risk of sexual assault as they like. I have sufficient self-esteem to know what my boundaries are, and that I have a right to assert them.

wellbehavedwomen Thu 09-Jul-20 21:24:19

That's also a form of grooming when applied to kids, btw. Personal modesty is an important developmental stage, and it happens naturally.

SittingAround1 Thu 09-Jul-20 22:03:50

CatandtheFiddle
Throw the argument back at them and ask why do they think you don't have the right to be prudish. Because you do (I'm not saying you are, but you can be if you want to be).

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