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(14 Posts)In the 1990’s and naughties white America was obsessed with a certain type of black hyper masculinity. While NWA were shouting ‘fuck the police;’ democratic president Bill Clinton pushed through a number of polices which would criminalise huge swathes of the population - the majority of whom were black, male and poor.
At the same time white record executives made billions selling rap records to white suburban youth - promoting artists who glorified woman hate, violence and drugs. What happened when those kids grew up?
They became legislators and journalists who now seem so threatened by the white construct of black masculinity, that they want to push an alternative narrative. That of the feminised, castrated black man AKA - transwomen.
We are told by white gay media that a black transwoman by the name of Marsha P Johnson started the Stonewall riot. Despite the fact that he always identified as a gay man and that he admits he arrived late to the party. His face is plastered across gay media. And he has been posthumously ‘transed’ and redefined as a woman.
Honestly I have lost count of the amount of times I’ve been told that a black transoman by the name of Marsha P Johnson won me my gay rights...
Meanwhile unwhite (AKA BAME) men complain that the users of aps like Grinder exclude them from their dating pools with messages like ‘no femmes, no blacks, no Asians.’ If it sounds familiar that’s because it is.
Are we expected to believe that this same ‘community’ has erased it’s racist tendencies?
The concept of the threatening black man still exists. Pornhub pushes porn which dehumaises black men just as much as it dehumanises women. They turn white men into ‘cucks’ who watch while their sl*tty wives are fucked by multiple black street thugs. The way that black men are dehumanised in porn upsets me nearly as much as the way women are treated.
It seems that black men exist in a similar way to women in the imagination of society - as props for white male identity. As the other. The object of their projection.
Do liberal men not watch the same videos on Pornhub as the rest of society? Unlike many conservatives, these men don’t even try to hide their shame. They attack anybody who opposes them (usually women, many of whom are lesbians) and call them nasty, dehumanising slurs like TERF AND SWERF.
Is it any wonder that white supremacy seeks to construct the castrated black male in such a manner?
The way that black men are dehumanised in porn upsets me nearly as much as the way women are treated.
Interesting point, thought-provoking - thanks.
Isn't a less complicated thesis that rates of homophobia are higher in black and other communities, and so a lot of black gay feminine men find it easier to embrace 'wrong body' thinking to make themselves 'straight'?
I think we underestimate the amount of homophobia found in all parts of society, including black society.
I agree with HeistSociety. Most black transwomen in the US and elsewhere are "early transitioning" transwomen who are attracted to men---the kind of people who, in an environment that was more accepting of men and boys being gender-non-conforming/gay, would most likely have just grown up to be fabulous swishy gay men.
I think there is a need to talk about homophobia in general, and also to discuss the difficult experiences that openly gay black men sometimes face. Homophobia, and also being rejected in the gay dating scene quite a lot of the time.
I dont know why race is even being brought up as an issue, again.
If people put on their dating sites that they dont want to date blacks or asians thats their choice and should be respected. are you suggesting people should be made to date and sleep with people they arent attracted to?
"fabulous swishy gay men"
Really?
Black hypermasculinity is still very much alive in the music industry. Look at UK drill and grime etc. The scene seems generally more racially diverse than in the US, where you don't see many white gangsta rappers but it's definitely music of black origin.
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Black hypermasculinity is still very much alive in the music industry. Look at UK drill and grime etc. The scene seems generally more racially diverse than in the US, where you don't see many white gangsta rappers but it's definitely music of black origin.
Sure. But I'm unsure what to say about that, as someone who has never 'consumed' hypermasculinity, including black hypermasculinity.
I feel like this doesn't really fall under the remit of 'feminists, solve'. We're not really the grime demographic.
Sure. But I'm unsure what to say about that, as someone who has never 'consumed' hypermasculinity, including black hypermasculinity.
I feel like this doesn't really fall under the remit of 'feminists, solve'. We're not really the grime demographic.
I don't think it's got much to do with feminism tbh. I don't really consume it either, well not willingly, but two of my three driver's mates are young black guys and on any given day I spend 10 hours in a truck with one of them. We take turns playing music so I have to put up with their tastes, as they do mine.
Fair enough.
Do your driving lads have much interest in deconstructing hypermasculinity?
Maybe introduce them to Idles. Same righteousness, post-punk, but without the hypermasculine stuff.
Really?
Yes, really. Do you have a problem with this? Some gay men (not all) are noticeably gender-nonconforming. I've heard terms like swishy, flamboyant, camp etc. used to this describe this, including being used by the guys themselves. Good for them!
Are you saying there are more black transwomen than white transwomen? I'm not sure that's true. TRAs and some elements of the left like to obsess about black transwomen because they're deemed to be doubly (or triply) oppressed: black, trans and 'women'.
This is interesting but not really relevant on a feminism topic. I don’t think this is for women to solve.
Well I think its interesting
The implied effect of culture on who transitions and why is relevant and also shows yet again that anything to do with transitioning , especially younger people, needs to be viewed in the context of the society they are in
Although it is a race/masculinity overlap , I always think feminists need to take masculinity into account , how it is expressed is the effect of patriarchy
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