Nicky Clark Interviews Susie Green (Mermaids) - Podcast

[rogdmum]

I haven’t listened to it yet, but here’s the tweet by Nicky and link:

“ In Part 6 of my Sex & Gender #Carerscast short series I talk to @MermaidsGender CEO @greensusie100 on the exponetial rise of children & young people with GD, many of whom are autistic & the process of seeking a diagnosis for children with GD in the UK.”

twitter.com/mrsnickyclark/status/1280164169275379712?s=21

Link to podcast:

www.spreaker.com/user/nickyclark/susie-green_1

[NeurotrashWarrior]

Really?! Wow how did she manage that?!

[OhHolyJesus]

I'm 10 mins in and already Green is saying that they don't know why ASD girls are presenting with GD and it might be because they have the words, or more awareness.

TBF she prefixes this saying she's not a clinician but says there are about 1,900 parents and 800 young people in the Mermaid chat rooms.

They do refer to GIDS though if a GP refuses to refer.

Will listen to the whole thing...

[Thingybob]

Well done Nicky Clark for interviewing Susie as well as other guests, with very different viewpoints, for your podcast series. Eventually the opposing sides are going to have to listen to each other.

[Cabinfever10]

Just finished listening to it. That woman lies and twists facts the way most people breathe

[SarahTancredi]

I've just listened while walking to work.

Several things are problematic.

The suggestion that they now have the words and the information etc - doesn't explain why if that's the case middle where are all the late transitioning transmen?

How can you claim that de transition is rare when you have no idea of the rates of detransition of the autistic girls whilst simultaneously knowing enough to make out that its society's fault/everyone else's fault that it didn't work out.

Again with the so called "rolling back of rights" there just isn't. If trans people have been told that the equality act doesn't in fact allow for the exclusion of those of who even have a grc in certain circumstances then don't you think that the people who told them they had free reign to every space should be held accountable for the misinformation as opposed to trying to frame it that nasty people are stopping them?

Where is the accountability for the false information they have been given.

Its all very well stressing that her kid was seen in 18 weeks and now trabs people have to wait years but she also teamed that with the fact that they were constantly checked up on. Forgetting about the waiting time for a second how can you have confidence in a pathway that no one is checking up on and you only have to have 3 appointments to be referred .GIDS themselves have already stated that there isn't long term follow up.

We already know that any crimes or whatever are recorded as gender and not sex so of course there will be the appearance of no issues in countries that already have self ID . We know this to be a lie anyway there have been some quote high profile cases in the news. Selina, alanna and Chelsea - the high school girls in conneticut who have lost out on medals and awards and girls missing scholarships to self identified transgender athletes and biological males competing in girls sports

Why would you lie about something that can be proved wrong with a split secomd Google

[SarahTancredi]

Issues regarding problem with self ID would need to be along the lines of - how many prisoners are being transfered to the opposite sex estate.

Whats the online vs in store purchasing ratio.

Has there suddenly been a spike in female crininals

have they asked if women now stay home instead of going shopping/swimming etc

Do people even know about self ID.

Out of the number of illiterate adults, I believe 2/3rds or there abouts are indeed women. So thats a big chunk of people who wouldn't necessarily be aware of changes in legislation even be able to read signs on a door or info on a web site.

We also know that the rate of reporting for sexual assault is abysmal. So as far as that goes incidents could raise quite significantly with regards to men using the self ID clause to abuse women and that wouldn't really be noticed statistically because women don't report.

[vivariumvivariumsvivaria]

That was a masterclass in interviewing by Nicky Clark.

I would not have managed to do that without my eyerolling causing interference with the sound quality.

I don't think Susie Green is lying, she believes the stuff she says.

I think she is deluded because she knows that what she arranged for her 16 year old child is seen by most people, at best, as questionable.

[Deltoids1]

I’m quite shocked that Mermaids can refer families to GIDS. I would have thought only GPs or CAMHS could refer.

[transdimensional]

They do refer to GIDS though if a GP refuses to refer.
How come Mermaids are allowed to refer to GIDS? Mind you, it wouldn't matter so much if GIDS were doing their job properly.

[eurochick]

Susie Green has to believe in what she says, otherwise what she did to her child is utterly unspeakable. She has to believe to justify it to herself.

[Deltoids1]

Nicky Clark is doing an excellent job in this podcast. I’m about half way though now and it’s interesting how even SG stumbles over using the phrase “gender assigned at birth”. It’s almost like she’s forcing herself to overrule her brain from using the most natural phrase and using the made up jargon of this ideology.

[OhHolyJesus]

I noticed that SG says young people but NC says children.

I didn't realise that JG was only 7.5 years old at the time of a diagnosis.

[Deltoids1]

SG says TW are at a higher risk of domestic violence that women. That can’t be right, can it?

[stillathing]

SG says TW are at a higher risk of domestic violence that women. That can’t be right, can it?

I don't doubt that some TW face domestic violence. However I don't see how we could really know the truth of her statement or compare those two groups. One group is protected by hate crime legislation, and people can be banned from twitter or lose their job if they commit the "literal violence" of using a sex based pronoun. The other is socialised to put up and shut up with rape (virtually legal anyway), abuse and coercive control.

[calllaaalllaaammma]

SG seemed most incoherent on de-transitioning

She said de-transitioning was only 2% although Mermaids don't keep records or follow up.

That more people regret knee surgery than regret transitioning, and we wouldn't stop knee surgery so why should we stop transitioning?

That some de-transitioners later regret de-transitioning and re-transition again.

That they mainly de-transition because of experiencing transphobia, so societies fault.

The ones that wrongly transitioned were just waved off as collateral damage.

She also said 20% of children were on the Autistic spectrum but she said that they have a right to transition too, just like anybody else. There was no enquiry as to why they are transitioning in such high numbers and an assumption that transition is best for them.

[Kit19]

As always the problem is that LGBT are recorded as one category so re domestic violence for example it’s impossible to tell if T people are more or less at risk than LGB

Looking at the Transwidow threads it seems TW might well categorise a failure by their spouse to validate their feelings or appearance as a woman would be ‘literal violence’ and so when asked if they had experienced DV they’d say yes

[Kettlingur]

@Kit19

As always the problem is that LGBT are recorded as one category so re domestic violence for example it’s impossible to tell if T people are more or less at risk than LGB

Looking at the Transwidow threads it seems TW might well categorise a failure by their spouse to validate their feelings or appearance as a woman would be ‘literal violence’ and so when asked if they had experienced DV they’d say yes

This. If misgendering is literal violence, I bet late transitioning males experience a lot of domestic violence from their spouses and children. It's bloody hard to learn to suddenly call daddy mommy or refer to your husband as "she".

[SarahTancredi]

That more people regret knee surgery than regret transitioning, and we wouldn't stop knee surgery so why should we stop transitioning?

We also know where we are with knee surgery. Patients can be fully informed with the probable outcomes.

We have no idea where we are with creating a neo vagina on someone who has not developed enough to do the usual surgery. I doubt knee surgery has the failure and complication rate of a phalloplasty

[NeurotrashWarrior]

Glorious sunlight.

[AnyOldPrion]

I managed to fall asleep a few minutes in, but even during the short segment I heard, it struck me anew that the words transboy and transgirl are wholly counterintuitive. When I picture a girl, I picture a person without a penis and testicles. I’m so used to the adult versions now that it no longer tweaks anything in my brain, but this did. Daughter and son too, when the reality is you have the opposite. The mindgames required are astonishing.

[merrymouse]

SG says TW are at a higher risk of domestic violence that women. That can’t be right, can it?

Whether or not it is true (and there are no stats on trans people if trans can’t be defined), it’s not clear why it is relevant.

No legislation prevents anyone from running a refuge that includes TW.

[vivariumvivariumsvivaria]

The knee thing was amazing.

30% regret? I don't think so - orthopaedic surgery is amazing and solves people's pain and immobility. Is there a 30% infection rate? Not on the wards I work on.

So, I did some googling - and I think she's referring to the USA, where they have higher rates of surgery for all sorts of conditions and for all sorts of reasons.

Yes, if you have early stage arthritis you will get less benefit from a knee replacement than if your quality of life is being destroyed by your arthritic knee. That is why you can't get a knee replacement in the UK unless the joint is totally buggered.

Susie Green is not good at critical thinking.

www.aarp.org/health/conditions-treatments/info-2018/knee-replacement-surgery-regret.html

[DuDuDuLangaLangaBingBong]

@calllaaalllaaammma

SG seemed most incoherent on de-transitioning

She said de-transitioning was only 2% although Mermaids don't keep records or follow up.

That more people regret knee surgery than regret transitioning, and we wouldn't stop knee surgery so why should we stop transitioning?

That some de-transitioners later regret de-transitioning and re-transition again.

That they mainly de-transition because of experiencing transphobia, so societies fault.

The ones that wrongly transitioned were just waved off as collateral damage.

She also said 20% of children were on the Autistic spectrum but she said that they have a right to transition too, just like anybody else. There was no enquiry as to why they are transitioning in such high numbers and an assumption that transition is best for them.

20% of children are on the spectrum?

Around 2% is more likely: www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/just-how-many-autistic-people-are-there-in-the-uk-anyway_uk_5ac7e94ce4b0150d9bfe77c1

[Ereshkigalangcleg]

The ones that wrongly transitioned were just waved off as collateral damage.

The dismissive callousness of TRAs towards these children was an early peaking moment for me.

[BlackeyedSusan]

or is that 10x more autistic children transition than the number of autistric children in the populkation...


from experience, some autistic children are very suggestable and will say yes to what they think you want.

some on the otherhand....

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