Scientific American: Unraveling the Mindset of Victimhood

That does sound interesting, bookmarked to read later.

Interesting. Particularly about the inability to empathise. It's clear that the political TRA lobby see female people as rivals; the 'rights' they demand are to have legal rights stripped from female people and trans superiority over females to be enshrined in law. The suppression and subordination of those they perceive as having what they want.

Female people don't see the TRA lobby as a rival; they would be perfectly happy to exist alongside if respect, values and meeting of differing needs were something mutual and reciprocal.

I wonder how this applies to radical feminism and the men vs women devide.

The problem is of course that accusations of "playing the victim" are often used to undermine and delegitimise genuine issues and real injustices, at both collective and individual level.

This seems to capture Lloyd Russell-Moyle's ghastly accusation levelled at JKR when she revealed her deeply personal history.

women are the enemies in a war that we never signed up for and that most of us don't even know is happening.

Yes - and it's not a war that is a territorial dispute or a grab for resources, it's one that will put an end to women having our own sex and political class. Because this isn't encroachment, it's something that is almost impossible to articulate and doesn't seem to exist the other way around.

I've only skimmed the article and will read it more fully when I can as it's an interesting topic - it feels particularly relevant at present.

Thanks for posting.

Very interesting. I agree that it can be learned and reinforced at a group level, I also think it's become much more common at a group level. I've seen it at an individual level but you can see it in many conflicts where the narrative of historical injustices are used to justify and encourage genocide e.g. Serbs.

I'm not sure I agree with this - I think some women do see men as their rival group. Sometimes in feminists discussions I get the impression that individuals like that think that's what feminism is.

I do think it's not terribly common in the female population, probably because most women have lots of close relationships with men - fathers, brothers husbands, sons - and care about their interests and empathise with them.

Its been explained repeatedly that women are talking about classes and structural inequality. Women (as a class) are harmed by men (as a class).
Its not victimhood if group A are actually being victimised by group B.

Incels are not being harmed by women, they do see women as a rival group; to the point where some are prepared to commit mass murder. Incels have been labelled as a terror group in Canada as a result of their own actions. Those actions were as a result of perceived deprivation; not as a result of any violence by women towards them.
globalnews.ca/news/6965806/incels-violent-extremism-csis-report/

I'd agree this narrative is used by MRAs and anti-feminist women against feminism. This comment is partly a placeholder so ill be back.

The definition of terrorism these days is pretty darn loose.

But the fact that a group of people like feminists, or civil rights activists, or trade unionists, may use class analysis doesn't really mean that they don't also include people or factions or elements within the whole that are about something else entirely.

I can't really think of any movement of that kind that doesn't currently seem to include some of this victimhood culture.

They appear to have created a euphemism for the paranoid aspects of narcissism conflated it with tribalism and then tried to morph it into a widespread cultural phenomenon.
I hate to see self styled scientific publishers offering up articles that would be shredded in an introductory class.