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Blush lingerie. "We mean every."

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Collidascope · 29/06/2020 11:00

www.butterfliesandwheels.org/2020/we-mean-every/

I think this sums it up pretty well.


"Behold: an advertisement:

I find it interesting because it’ssoin your face,soperverse (not perverted, mind, perverse), so nyah nyah. Saying “we mean every” about aconspicuouslymale male, with beard and hirsute chest and legs, decked out in dainty catch me-fuck me laydeez underwear. They’re not saying it about a man seriously trying to “dress as” a woman or to look like a woman or to convince anyone he’s a woman, they’re saying it about an unmistakable man with a “Fuck you, bitch” look on his face, dressed and posed like a prostitute.

It’s hard to unpick all the levels here. There’s the “you WILL agree that this is a woman” level, but there’s also the “haha obviously this is not a woman but we get to force you to say it is” levelandthe “if you don’t agree that he’s a woman he’ll kick you in the cunt, you cunt” level. There’s the “I will cut you” face coupled with the passivity of the clothes – it jars and it’s meant to jar and the whole point of the jarring is to taunt and threaten and insult and bully women.

And it is, apparently, from a company that makes “lingerie” – i.e. sexualized underwear for women.

There is also the level of “this is what makes someone a woman: wearing chase me-fuck me underwear and adopting a fuck me pose.” That’s all there is to being a woman: sexy underwear and passivity. It’ssodeterminative of being a woman that the hostile threatening male stare is overruled by the stockings.

There’s also the level of “women can’t possibly do this, women can’t not shave and not pluck and not paint and then pose in sexy underwear with hairy legs and a ‘fuck you’ stare, but men can” level. Women have to scrape their bodies clean of every trace of hair, even between their legs, and then draw lines where their eyebrows used to be, but men can just pull the stockings up over the wiry black hairs and then dare us to say a word."

Blush lingerie. "We mean every."
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Toilenstripes · 29/06/2020 11:02

Not a woman
Looks like an idiot
Looks tacky af

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Hoppinggreen · 29/06/2020 11:05

I don’t even know where to start with that

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Hoppinggreen · 29/06/2020 11:06

Sums it up though
Men - stick something lacy on and you have miraculously changed sex!

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ScrimpshawTheSecond · 29/06/2020 11:12

What is the actual point in a bra if you don't have breasts? Won't that just keep riding up and be really uncomfortable?

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Smallsteps88 · 29/06/2020 11:14

I think it’s a real own goal tbh.

They’ve paid a fortune to hi light the absurdity of the “anyone who says they’re a woman is a woman” mantra. Lots of of people who consider themselves inclusive and supportive of trans rights will look at this and say “wait, what? No, that’s clearly a man. How could anyone think that’s a woman?” It will peak trans many.

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teawamutu · 29/06/2020 11:15

Grim. Never heard of them, won't be buying from them.

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wildcherries · 29/06/2020 11:16

Spectacular own goal, agreed.

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KaronAVyrus · 29/06/2020 11:17

Surely this is a joke?

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Collidascope · 29/06/2020 11:22

@KaronAVyrus

Surely this is a joke?

I wondered that, but at the bottom it mentions "proudly welcoming Berlin Pride Weeks." Plus I've seen other similar things I assumed were parody and they weren't...
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Smallsteps88 · 29/06/2020 11:29

How big is the sexy lingerie for men market?

Personally if I buy lingerie to look/feel sexy in, I don’t want to be reminded of a man wearing the same lingerie. So I wouldn’t buy that lingerie. I’m guessing a lot of women would feel the same so that’s a lot of their potential market gone right there. Are they counting on there being enough men to fill the gap?

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Fairineouf · 29/06/2020 11:30

They obviously have a new range aimed at men but have jumped on the woke bandwagon because they know a controversial advert gets noticed by the press and the brand will get talked about with lots of free advertising as it's discussed.

Most TW think they 'pass' and ordinary man/woman in the street thinks the mantra TWAW means that too - born in the wrong body, desperately trying to fit in. This shows something entirely different. Personally I think it'll just add more sunlight on the debate.

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Woodlandtree · 29/06/2020 11:32

Many will view this simplistically as ‘that’s not a woman’ and will feel the company is making a joke of self ID - as already said ‘own goal’!

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Melroses · 29/06/2020 11:36

I remember reading a guardian article about a new company that was producing sexy lacy underwear for men. My naive mind harkened back to the pre-victorian era of men in lacy collars etc.

Intrigued by the concept of men in lace boxers Grin I foolishly followed the link to find the same old black suspenders and bras etc....................

It's always the same.

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uglyswan · 29/06/2020 11:38

The campaign is real, but it's also from 2017...

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JaneJeffer · 29/06/2020 11:49

If men want to dress in horrible uncomfortable underwear let them. They can have the high heels as well.

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SingingSands · 29/06/2020 12:01

I think I'd find this upsetting if I was a TW too. If I had spent years cultivating my appearance, becoming more feminine and hoping to be accepted as a TW, then this would throw me right back to square one.

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Panfriedscallops · 29/06/2020 12:40

I don't normally comment on this issue but I can't help but shake my head and wonder what is going on!

Is this an undercover episode of the apprentice..... if that lingerie company wanted to appeal to a particular demographic and alienate all the women who shave and pluck and highly maintain their bodies, good luck mate, nice business move........ smh
..... just read this is from 2017 are they still in business ?

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Highperbolay · 29/06/2020 12:55

I saw this on Twitter yesterday and assumed it was a joke?

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Panfriedscallops · 29/06/2020 13:12

Just checked, someone should inform their woke dept. There's been a violation.

Blush lingerie. "We mean every."
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Ereshkigalangcleg · 29/06/2020 13:22

They’ve paid a fortune to hi light the absurdity of the “anyone who says they’re a woman is a woman” mantra. Lots of of people who consider themselves inclusive and supportive of trans rights will look at this and say “wait, what? No, that’s clearly a man. How could anyone think that’s a woman?” It will peak trans many.

It is Emperor's New Clothes level self owning. Or Emperor's new basque.

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TwoTribes · 29/06/2020 13:37

That's a peak trans advert if ever I saw one. They should put them everywhere to show the public that this is exactly what Stonewall means when they say transwomen are women.

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TheABC · 29/06/2020 13:43

I took one look and wondered if it were for the Rocky Horror Picture Show.

Honestly, if men want to ruin their posture in high heels and stockings, feel free!

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MarieIVanArkleStinks · 29/06/2020 13:47

Wonder when they'll start making women's knickers with baggy fronts?

I wouldn't mind betting that day is coming, if it isn't here already.

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MumofBees · 29/06/2020 13:58

Why do you care?

Is being a woman or a man wearing a certain kind of underwear? No.

Why are you so terrified of difference?

Stop letting anyone else define who you are. Stop trying to define who anyone else is. Easy.

This thread is ridiculous.

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PuppyLove2000 · 29/06/2020 13:59

I honestly think men are going to start to kick off when they realise they have to have girl dick or else they are labelled transphobes. An advert like this will seem like a laugh to them at first but as more of it happens there will be a kick back, stories of men catfished etc.

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