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How can you be transgender and non-binary?

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KingofDinobots Wed 24-Jun-20 16:54:00

Ok I’m genuinely confused about this.

An author called Fox Fisher has left JK Rowlings literary agency over transgender rights.

According to the Times article (sorry no share token) Fox identifies as a “transgender non-binary person” and uses the pronoun they.

I just....don’t get it? I mean if you’re non-binary you’re saying you don’t identify as either of the two genders, so how you can you also say you are not the gender you were “assigned” at birth?

Anybody explain this one to me?

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SisterWendyBuckett Wed 24-Jun-20 16:54:25

Nope

midgebabe Wed 24-Jun-20 16:57:03

Well if you are not the gender assigned at birth / the gender assumed by others based on your sex, then you have transported yourself away ?

SerenityNowwwww Wed 24-Jun-20 16:58:35

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SnuggyBuggy Wed 24-Jun-20 16:59:17

Who knows

nauticant Wed 24-Jun-20 17:02:58

Having seen this discussed a number of times I've come round to the view that arguing how many angels can dance on the head of a pin is pointless if you don't believe in angels.

SisterWendyBuckett Wed 24-Jun-20 17:10:24

It's a 'clever' way of avoiding accusations of promoting gender stereotypes. While simultaneously promoting gender stereotypes.

And it also allows you to co-opt the identity of another oppressed minority and speak for them too.

KingofDinobots Wed 24-Jun-20 17:10:58

Glad it’s not just me who’s confused! It just makes no sense at all.

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Melroses Wed 24-Jun-20 17:12:25

Jess Bradley, first Trans Officer of the NUS, identified as a Non Binary Trans Woman. And we all know where that finished up. hmm

malaguena Wed 24-Jun-20 17:16:04

Basically the trans umbrella includes everything and anything, including non binary, agender, cross-dressers... I don't identify as "cisgender" so I suppose I am transgender too. Aren't we all?

NoSquirrels Wed 24-Jun-20 17:16:07

Having seen this discussed a number of times I've come round to the view that arguing how many angels can dance on the head of a pin is pointless if you don't believe in angels.

Yes! nauticant thank you. I don’t believe so it’s all irrelevant to me.

DannyGlickWindowTapping Wed 24-Jun-20 17:16:16

Maybe they identify as Schrödinger?

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Sandybval Wed 24-Jun-20 17:18:55

Literally no idea.

SarahTancredi Wed 24-Jun-20 17:20:38

I dont get it either. The whole idea that the binary doesnt exist yet is simultaneously necessary in order to define yourself against it leaves me very confused

gardenbird48 Wed 24-Jun-20 17:22:52

so I know someone who identifies as gender queer, non binary (pronouns they/them) and is currently fundraising for a double mastectomy and masculinisation hormone treatment. I am very sad for them and the family - we don't applaud and enable anorexia or body dysmorphia or delusional misidentification syndrome (a patient in Germany identified as an amputee and an American woman identified as a blind person and paid a doctor to use drain cleaner to blind her) so why are we encouraging young people to undergo major surgery to fix an neurological issue?

7Days Wed 24-Jun-20 17:22:53

You dont understand, mum! get out of my life!

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Highperbolay Wed 24-Jun-20 17:23:15

Ah Jess Bradley, now there's a blast from that past! smile

I'm pretty sure Fox and Owl have always been 'non-binary' because I remember when I first heard of them a couple of years ago and was confused by the 'non-binary transgender' thing at the time.

Essentially, they are just a het couple though - how very boring....

TheSingingKettle49 Wed 24-Jun-20 17:23:26

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mellajoy Wed 24-Jun-20 17:25:14

Oh well it explains how between 4 and 5 people could have left.

They are both 1 and 0 people. wink

DickKerrLadies Wed 24-Jun-20 17:26:19

Stonewall's definition of trans includes people who identify as non-binary:

An umbrella term to describe people whose gender is not the same as, or does not sit comfortably with, the sex they were assigned at birth.
Trans people may describe themselves using one or more of a wide variety of terms, including (but not limited to) transgender, transsexual, gender-queer (GQ), gender-fluid, non-binary, gender-variant, crossdresser, genderless, agender, nongender, third gender, bi-gender, trans man, trans woman,trans masculine, trans feminine and neutrois.

So transgender people are trans and non-binary people are trans. I don't know if there are any rules as to which/how many of these terms one can identify as. All I do know is that a female cannot identify as a trans woman, even if you are a woman who fits the above definition of trans.

I'm not sure that really helps anyone but these are the closest things to definitions we've got.

www.stonewall.org.uk/help-advice/faqs-and-glossary/glossary-terms

OvaHere Wed 24-Jun-20 17:29:20

When words are emptied of meaning you can be anything you want.

PronounssheRa Wed 24-Jun-20 17:30:20

Bang average people who leaverage current woke speak to make themselves look so very very special and climb to the top of diversity top trumps.

Also helps with getting opportunities that they wouldn't otherwise get

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