Prostasia

[DancelikeEmmaGoldman]

I’m sure this organisation has been discussed before on FWR. This popped up in my Twitter feed today. There seem to be a number of red flags for a group calling itself a child protection organisation.

“The Prostasia Foundation is a tax-exempt California non-profit which describes itself as “a new child protection organization that is inclusive of ... kinky people, and sex workers."

Of course both sex workers and kinky people might have children and be concerned about their protection. It’s less to me why you’d need to specify them in your mission statement.

www.prostasia.info/

Twitter thread.
mobile.twitter.com/ferdeline/status/1273664868474896387

[OvaHere]

Yes I saw that.

This is the previous thread.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3608751-Prostasia-Foundation-Child-protection-or-dismantling-Safeguarding

[OhHolyJesus]

God that old thread is like a time machine.

Frightening how fast things moved on.

[ThePurported]

They tried to threaten Sarah Phillimore too, didn't they?

[OhHolyJesus]

Reviving this zombie thread because of this

twitter.com/allynwalkerphd/status/1458159468504657930?s=21

And this

[GoodieMoomin]

That tweet has gone. Assume from the replies it was some kind of paedophile apologist rhetoric

[OhHolyJesus]

Oh sorry, yes it was indeed some pretty vile messaging around accepting 'MAPS' and claiming it was a sexual orientation.

[334bu]

I think it might have been a tweet from this person
mobile.twitter.com/ripx4nutmeg/status/1458479245446025221?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

[GoodieMoomin]

'Yikes' somehow seems insufficient

[ScreamingMeMe]

Holy crap.

[OhHolyJesus]

Thanks 334, that's much better, and here's more for background.

4w.pub/old-dominion-university-assistant-professor-comes-out-in-support-of-destigmatizing-pedophilia/?fbclid=IwAR2Y1htXeM6oCB4fkRy-aUsAVNDXxeRe0_3gpHyfjzcj3jGGVlwa8arw4sg

[PaleGreenGhost]

Who in earth seeks to "reduce the stigma" around those who are turned on by raping children? Is the stigma not sometimes healthy and a helpful element of safeguarding?

I can't read what that person has written but usually this kind of thing advocates for computer generated images of abuse and child rape dolls, claiming that real children won't be harmed as a result. I think that claim is utterly unfounded. It's not as if porn stops men being sexually violent towards women.

I do think people who feel sexual attraction towards the rape of children need to able to have an honest conversation about it and to be able to seek treatment without shame. Don't think this is what's being advocated for here.

[Shedbuilder]

We would have said 'Yikes' and 'Holy crap' 20 years ago if anyone was publicly proposing that male-bodied people could be women or that a person with a penis could be female and participate in women's sports.

This is how we evolve. It's how, gradually, we went from same-sex attraction being a crime to being accepted to now being declared null-and-void by genderism. It's why we have to be permanently vigilant —because sometime change is for the good and sometime it isn't and it's not always possible to tell the difference easily.

[ScrollingLeaves]

PaleGreenGhost
“I can't read what that person has written but usually this kind of thing advocates for computer generated images of abuse and child rape dolls, claiming that real children won't be harmed as a result. I think that claim is utterly unfounded. It's not as if porn stops men being sexually violent towards women.”

I agree. I know that in anger management for example, counter-intuitively, people shouldn’t punch pillows etc to let out their anger, because the actually reinforces a response system in the most primitive part of the brain. Instead, people should try to hit the ‘pause’ for long enough so that their pre-frontal cortex can take over. So the sex children dolls and child pornography images would reinforce the drive.

[ScrollingLeaves]

Sorry that was ambiguous. The use of child sex dolls and child pornography would not just give a person a safe outlet for the drive towards that deviant urge. It would actually exacerbate the urge.

[drhf]

Interesting that Allyn Walker thinks "MAPs" have "attractions many people wouldn’t understand, and that some people find to be immoral", and society is supposed to accept these attractions without stigma.

Lesbians, on the other hand, are told by Stonewall that "if you find that when dating, you are writing off entire groups of people, like... trans people [i.e. transwomen], then it's worth considering how societal prejudices may have shaped your attractions".

I'd like to know if Prof. Walker thinks it is wrong to stigmatise lesbians for not wanting to have sex with people with penises, or whether that compassion is only extended to adult men who want to assault children.