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Times today: JK Rowling fell foul of transgender thought police

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Lamahaha Wed 03-Jun-20 09:51:40

by Debbie Hayton

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/e83cf2ea-a50c-11ea-a585-dcb14d2bcd47?shareToken=eafc66b4f31b2536a5202ea3d0555a9c

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McDuffy Wed 03-Jun-20 09:55:58

Just read it, good article. No TRA comments below, lots of sensible ones and a few ignorant ones plopping on!

NotBadConsidering Wed 03-Jun-20 10:09:51

I’m sure when Adrian Harrop was growing up and thought he might get his name in a major newspaper like The Times, he didn’t imagine it would be for these reasons 🤣🤣🤣.

GeordieTerf Wed 03-Jun-20 10:10:50

Good article. Very clear and logical.

I wish people would just ignore the good doctor though. Mentioning him in high profile articles just gives him the oxygen of publicity that he craves.

Lamahaha Wed 03-Jun-20 10:41:37

McDuffy

Just read it, good article. No TRA comments below, lots of sensible ones and a few ignorant ones plopping on!

I see that Posie has commented. Nice to see her popping up into discussions like this.

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digbee Wed 03-Jun-20 10:47:42

I think the original 'not safe around children' tweet came before the clipboard mix-up, fwiw.

Lamahaha Wed 03-Jun-20 10:56:48

digbee, yes, that's true.

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R0wantrees Wed 03-Jun-20 11:00:18

from the article by Dr Hayton linked in OP:

"Somewhere, transgender people like me got caught up in this. It’s time for us to call it out. Biology is not transphobic. Men cannot become women by some leap of faith, and magic belongs in Harry Potter, not in real life." (continues)

"Debbie Hayton is a physics teacher and campaigner for trans rights"

NASUWT (teachers' union) was one of the partners to the recently withdrawn CPS school toolkit on 'Hate Crime' along with NSPCC, Stonewall, Gendered Intelligence

NASUWT published guidance for schools in 2017 acknowledging the key role Dr Debbie Hayton played.
Dr Hayton is an active member of NASUWT executive
twitter.com/DebbieAHayton

'Trans Equality in Schools and Colleges
Advice and Guidance for Teachers and Leaders'

(extracts)
"Pronouns and titles. The trans person should be referred to by their preferred pronouns (e.g. he, she, they, zie) and title (e.g. Mr, Miss, Mrs, Ms, Mx) and the employer has a duty to ensure that this is understood by everyone. Mistakes are to be expected in the weeks after transition but, when this happens, a quick apology and correction should suffice.

Trans teachers should be free to use toilets appropriate to their acquired gender from the date they transition. Where a teacher is intending to transition, the employer and teacher should discuss and
agree the timescale within which the teacher will start to use the facilities for the gender to which they are transitioning.

it is not acceptable in the longer term for an employer to insist that
a teacher who is transitioning must use separate toilet facilities, such as a unisex disabled toilet, and such conduct is likely to constitute unlawful discrimination

When a family informs the school or college that their child is transitioning, the school has a duty to support the student, protect them from discrimination and harassment, and provide appropriate
training for teachers, support staff and governors. Specialist organisations such as Gendered Intelligence and GIRES can help with staff training and provide educational resources for students

Equalities should be embedded in the curriculum, and gender should be covered along with other protected characteristics. Staff may need specific training to deliver lessons effectively

School uniform should not present a problem for transitioning students, and they should expect to follow the dress code for their acquired gender. Issues may arise with sports kit, especially for swimming. Schools may wish to review their arrangements and allow all pupils to wear skirted swimsuits, long shorts or short wetsuits as alternatives to traditional costumes.

Children with a trans parent may be happy to talk about it, but they may fear the news becoming public. Barney’s primary school was proactive when his father transitioned.
Barney’s Story
My dad transitioned when I was ten. My school was very supportive during this time. They provided counselling on what would change and what would stay the same. It was reassuring to know that it was completely normal and almost everything would stay the same within the family or in my dad.

Supporting Dual-role People
Some people manage their gender dysphoria by living as a man or a woman in different aspects of their lives. For example, they may work in a male role but socialise in a female role.

Although the protected characteristic under the Equality Act is gender reassignment, it is best to assume that dual-role people are covered by perception that they might transition.

Like everyone else they deserve to be treated with dignity and respect. In practical terms, there should be no issues unless the different aspects of their lives overlap in some way. For example, a male teacher might want to attend a staff party as a woman. In that case they would probably prefer to use a female name and feminine pronouns, and they should be allowed to use the toilets appropriate to the gender in which they are presenting."

www.nasuwt.org.uk/uploads/assets/uploaded/085066bb-c224-40de-b79e2a1358801ee9.pdf

OneEpisode Wed 03-Jun-20 11:05:32

The TRAs have arrived in the Times Comments. University Quidditch team. “Get on the right side of history bigots”. Other commenters are amused.

BlueBooby Wed 03-Jun-20 11:29:31

A tra identifying as a non tra? A Trojan horse?
What's their game

Mermoose Wed 03-Jun-20 12:13:05

Rowantrees has Dr Hayton explained that? People change their minds, I think Fionne Orlander started out believing TWAW too.

Lamahaha Wed 03-Jun-20 12:21:28

Yes, Posie commented on the Times article on Debbie's history in school guidance; and also wondered why non-journalists who are men get their articles accepted for major publications, when non-journalists who are women don't!
Good question, actually.

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littlbrowndog Wed 03-Jun-20 12:21:37

I can’t read it. Says only free for a short time 🤷‍♀️

ThinEndoftheWedge Wed 03-Jun-20 12:23:41

Interesting BatshitNASUWT guidance thought police-. Chilling

Yes - a clarification on D Hayton’s position would be useful.

Is D Hayton advocating for me to be reprimanded at work if I use the evidence of my eyes and correctly employ the English language to call a male ‘he’ and insist on women only changing rooms?

Melroses Wed 03-Jun-20 12:28:12

I think the original 'not safe around children' tweet came before the clipboard mix-up, fwiw.

Yes, that was hanging around from the 27th, then challenged on 29th when it was still up (just after this is when the C&P happened mix-up happened)

(I don't know when computers started storing everything on a single clipboard - I have nearly ended up with bits of Mumsnet in my club newsletter blush )

Babdoc Wed 03-Jun-20 12:33:12

Can anyone cut and paste the article and replies please? I only have a subscription to the paper copy of the Times, and the article wasn’t in my print edition this morning. It says it’s no longer freely available, and I’d love to see the comments.

Lamahaha Wed 03-Jun-20 12:36:44

The article, not the comments:

Covid-19 has put many things on hold, but not the transgender thought police. JK Rowling had been in their sights since Christmas when she tweeted her support for Maya Forstater, who had lost her job at a think tank after questioning whether trans women were women (spoiler: we are not — we are the other sex).

When the children’s author accidentally tweeted the contents of her clipboard last Friday the thought police reached new levels of apoplexy. Not for anything Rowling had said: the tweet was swiftly deleted and an explanation given. She was condemned for what she had been reading.

It involved the attack on Maria Maclachlan, a woman caught up in a dispute between feminists and trans activists at Speakers’ Corner in September 2017. Tara Wolf, who identifies as trans, was later found guilty of assault and fined £150 at Hendon magistrates’ court. Worse, the version Rowling had been reading adorned Maclachlan’s attacker with male pronouns: he.

To the quasi-religious transgender police this is blasphemy. In a world where anything can be transphobic, they upped the ante and accused Rowling of being unsafe around children. Readers may be imagining an outraged throng of teenagers whipped up in a social media bubble. But the transgender debate gives licence to grown adults, even professionals, to verbally attack women with impunity. Adrian Harrop, a GP from Liverpool, likened Rowling to Jimmy Savile. Possibly fearing legal action, he later deleted his tweet, describing it as “insensitive”.

In little more than five years, transgender ideology has brought us to the point where a GP thinks it’s merely insensitive — and “poorly worded” — to suggest that JK Rowling isn’t safe to be around children. What would have been good wording, I wonder?

Terrifyingly, our institutions have been similarly infected. At Forstater’s tribunal hearing, Judge James Tayler told her that her beliefs about gender reassignment were “not worthy of respect in a democratic society”. When Maclachlan gave evidence at Wolf’s trial, Judge Kenneth Grant criticised her for using male pronouns to describe her attacker.

Somewhere, transgender people like me got caught up in this. It’s time for us to call it out. Biology is not transphobic. Men cannot become women by some leap of faith, and magic belongs in Harry Potter, not in real life. As Rowling herself said in December, “we can live our best life in peace and security” but we can’t change sex, and this hounding of women must stop.

Debbie Hayton is a physics teacher and campaigner for trans rights

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Joisanofthedales Wed 03-Jun-20 12:43:54

Thank you Lamahaha

PinkBrained Wed 03-Jun-20 12:44:58

Lamahaha

Yes, Posie commented on the Times article on Debbie's history in school guidance; and also wondered why non-journalists who are men get their articles accepted for major publications, when non-journalists who are women don't!
Good question, actually.

Jo Bartosch, a great journalist who writes on women's issues, doesn't get a look in at the Times.

EmpressLangClegInChair Wed 03-Jun-20 12:50:15

That’s an excellent point. Why aren’t the Times taking pieces from Jo Bartosch?

R0wantrees Wed 03-Jun-20 12:53:41

Mermoose

Rowantrees has Dr Hayton explained that? People change their minds, I think Fionne Orlander started out believing TWAW too.

Not to my knowledge.

The NASUWT guidance for schools from 2017 is still current I believe.

Dr Hayton is NASUWT National Executive Member for District 13.

Goosefoot Wed 03-Jun-20 14:10:19

I believe Hayton has had some significant changes in thinking over the last few years.

Datun Wed 03-Jun-20 14:22:43

What are you basing that on goose? I haven't seen anything, that Hayton has written about it, but that's not to say there isn't anything.

Floisme Wed 03-Jun-20 14:24:08

Thanks Lamahaha
I'm aware of the debate around Hayton but I prefer to judge the article by its content. I'm more interested in whether it will raise awareness among Times readers than in whether or not the writer is regarded as problematic. In fact I find that idea problematic in itself.

truthisarevolutionaryact Wed 03-Jun-20 14:40:05

That's a good point Goosefoot Somehow people have got to be 'allowed' to change their minds.
So many schools have adopted anti safeguarding / dangerous to girls practices with this toxic ideology and somehow we have to let them back away and revert to protecting children from those seeking to groom them and to make safeguarding a priority again for all children and not diluted for gender non conforming children.

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