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Teenage boy charged in Canada's first 'incel' terror case

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stumbledin Wed 20-May-20 23:22:11

I'm really only posting this because I didn't even realise Canada had this law.
... A Toronto teenager has become the first Canadian ever charged with carrying out an "incel"-inspired terror attack.

When Toronto police learned the crime may have been motivated by an extremist ideology, they contacted Canada's federal RCMP, which ultimately decided to press terrorism charges.

"Terrorism comes in many forms and it's important to note that it is not restricted to any particular group, religion or ideology" ...

www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-52733060

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Kassia978 Wed 20-May-20 23:29:46

I think this is something new. Previous incel attackers (like the van attack in Toronto) were charged with murder/attempted murder. An article I read this morning said that this is the first time they’ve actually charged someone with terrorism for this kind of attack (and about time tbh). The same paper also published this article this afternoon:

globalnews.ca/news/6965806/incels-violent-extremism-csis-report/

So I think this is a change in the way police charge the perpetrators of these crimes. One step closer to acknowledging misogynistic attacks as hate crimes maybe? About time either way.

stumbledin Wed 20-May-20 23:46:30

Thanks for that link. Have saved the link do download the report.

Hopefull will provide good material to lobby in the UK.

But still doesn't stop me from being really angry about how Canadian law has been changed to erase women / women's rights.

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ILikeSardines Thu 21-May-20 00:26:15

Hold on a minute.

Canada is 100% that internal gender id matters and sex doesn't.

How do they know the gender id of the victims.
He was angry at women. How did he/ the police know who were women?

Totally illogical.

It's also pissed me off that the victim who has children and worked in an 'erotic massage parlour' has been named but not the murderer. I get he's underage. What about her though, her kids? I know the sex work is work types will say no probs. But in real life that's not how it works.

Tachograph Thu 21-May-20 05:24:28

Wow. My first thought was 'how long before the TRA groups are having 'transphobes' convicted of terror acts?'

Kantastic Thu 21-May-20 06:39:12

Wow. My first thought was 'how long before the TRA groups are having 'transphobes' convicted of terror acts?'

My first thought was - well, it's not like any "transphobes" are shooting up massage parlours so why go there? But given that it's Canada and given the insane double standards TRAs have about what counts as violence - I can see it. The accused is said to have engaged in a systemic terrorist campaign targeted at the most vulnerable members of society, and is charged with 30 counts of misgendering and seven counts of being exclusionary.

But science fiction aside, this is a good decision. Incel terrorism (actual violence) is on the increase and it's good that they are acknowledging that these crimes are driven by a specific, albeit incoherent, ideology.

I think it's interesting to consider where you would draw the line between misogyny-motivated terrorism and domestic violence/stalking/rape. All of these actions serve to keep women as a political class, intimidated and subjugated to men. This is the main reason misogyny isn't recognised as a hate crime - it's too pervasive. But now that the possibility of misogyny as a motivation for terrorism has been legally acknowledged - have they let a genie out of the bottle?

nettie434 Thu 21-May-20 09:29:04

Link to other thread on this to keep the responses together:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3914429-Teenage-boy-charged-in-Canadas-first-incel-terror-case

Tachograph Thu 21-May-20 18:31:15

My first thought was - well, it's not like any "transphobes" are shooting up massage parlours so why go there? But given that it's Canada and given the insane double standards TRAs have about what counts as violence - I can see it. The accused is said to have engaged in a systemic terrorist campaign targeted at the most vulnerable members of society, and is charged with 30 counts of misgendering and seven counts of being exclusionary.

Yeah, that's more what I meant. Even without the violence, the fact that a hate crime can now be charged as a terrorism offence could be something we see turned on 'transphobes'.

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