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Sonia P - Drag Queen Story Time

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AutumnRose1 · 18/02/2020 19:54

Really interesting video

I was a bit unsure about this for a long time but now I think I just couldn’t articulate myself.

Sorry if it’s been posted already, I did check and can’t see it

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OhHolyJesus · 18/02/2020 19:56

Thanks OP, I do love Sonia.

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NeurotrashWarrior · 18/02/2020 19:57

Yes it's great. Good analysis and shocking to see how it was adopted, without question.

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AutumnRose1 · 18/02/2020 20:04

It’s helped me because when I talk to people- well, friends who take their DC to these events - I find it hard to say what worries me but I think I should make some notes from here.

The ones who take their DC are also in favour of self ID.

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OvaHere · 18/02/2020 20:55

Great analysis from Sonia. Quite shocking how fast something so inappropriate has taken hold.

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MedusasButterDish · 18/02/2020 21:03

No DQST in my neck of the woods. Nothing very "woke" at all, actually... which may explain why my MP hasn't answered my letter. He sees none of this. However, by the time it gets to our remote corner of London (sort of), there will be no-one left to stand with us!

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AutumnRose1 · 18/02/2020 21:05

Good to send it to friends etc as legal threat made already - don’t know by whom - so may be taken down soon.

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AutumnRose1 · 18/02/2020 21:06

Medusa, cross post

Amazed you’re in a remote corner of London and havent come across this kind of thing. Lucky you!

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Mossyrock · 18/02/2020 21:47

That was worth every minute. A very important and horrifying analysis.

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AutumnRose1 · 19/02/2020 00:04

She needs to do an edit though, for Wilson Gavin, who was Australian. Loses credibility there.

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MedusasButterDish · 19/02/2020 00:12

Thanks, AutumnRose. I feel solidarity with everyone else facing this, though.

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JellySlice · 19/02/2020 00:40

I never got the point of DGST, other than to normaliser drag. Now I understand: DQST breaks down children's ability correctly identify men and women. Oh brave new world, that has such creatures in't!

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LaneBoy · 19/02/2020 01:56

Thanks for sharing. I mentioned it to DH today (via work he’s involved in the committee for a local Pride event and I was asking if there will be anything like this) - he was horrified but I wasn’t sure if I was being accurate in what I was telling him so this will be useful.

It’s terrifying.

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RunSkipJump · 19/02/2020 09:05

DQST breaks down children's ability correctly identify men and women
I don't think it breaks downs children's ability to correctly identify men and women - but it breaks down their ability to correctly name men and women.
Children are being told both women and men pretending to be women can be labelled as women. Start the brainwashing early.

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AutumnRose1 · 19/02/2020 09:17

I agree it breaks down the ability to identify, not just name.

They’re shown a man dressed as a woman and told its a woman, must be called she etc.

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RunSkipJump · 19/02/2020 09:31

I just think kids are pretty good at telling the difference between the sexes in general. It's words they take a while to get to grips with. Little kids often get pronouns mixed up for example.

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AutumnRose1 · 19/02/2020 09:49

I think for a 3 year old, if you show them a drag queen and say it's a woman, they are genuinely going to perceive that that is true.

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JellySlice · 19/02/2020 09:54

For little children the name is often the thing itself.

How are children taught the difference between males and females? You can say to your dc "You have a vulva, Judy, so you are a girl. You have a penis, David, so you are a boy", but you cannot use that explanation to teach them how to identify people in general. They learn from social cues, stereotypes, especially among their peers.

Many young children do not recognise that Widow Twanky is being played by a man, or that Aladdin is being played by a woman (not that that happens any more), until they see them close-up at the actors' meet-and-greet after the show. Then they flinch and look confused.

So if you tell young children that this person in front of them, whose body and voice scream out MALE cues to adults, that he is a woman, even if only by using the feminine pronoun, you are gaslighting them. At a hugely impressionable age they accept the lie as truth.

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Justhadathought · 19/02/2020 09:58

Children are being told both women and men pretending to be women can be labelled as women. Start the brainwashing early

Creates a pretty mythic impression of what a woman is in a young child's mind....like a scary witch of nightmares.......confusing and manipulative......That's the thing about drag, and about a lot of female portrayals in transgenderism......they present the feminine as an over-blown and often quite ugly depiction.

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AutumnRose1 · 19/02/2020 09:59

Jelly "you are gaslighting them"

this. Something about pantomime dames always made me uncomfortable even as a child. Interestingly, my mum was always uncomfortable but dad wasn't. Anyway, we only went a couple of times.

I vaguely recall mum would switch the TV off if Les Dawson or some such came on dressed as a woman. She also couldn't bear Kenny Everett as a woman but found some of his other stuff funny.

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RunSkipJump · 19/02/2020 10:01

Many young children do not recognise that Widow Twanky is being played by a man, or that Aladdin is being played by a woman (not that that happens any more), until they see them close-up at the actors' meet-and-greet after the show. Then they flinch and look confused.
Yes, they look confused as they have identified the 'woman' as male.
It is gaslighting.
It's hard to believe libraries are involved in this.

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HandsOffMyRights · 19/02/2020 10:50

Thanks Sonia for capturing our concerns.

Interesting that the drag queen who was performing in Rochdale (The father was concerned because the drag queen was pictured naked several times and in BDSM gear etc) has been promoted by the BBC, which conveniently ommitted those pictures.

Once again, parents aren't being given the full facts. Once again, the BBC is complicit in this deception and the broadcaster is complicit in grooming parents and children. It's putting wokeness ahead of safeguarding.

//www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/stories-47720808/drag-queen-story-time-connecting-kids-with-lgbtq-role-models-of-colour

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Mockersisrightasusual · 19/02/2020 10:54

Yes, whatever happened to librarians?

Back in the days of Section 28, it was the librarians who led the opposition to book-burning. They got it.

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AutumnRose1 · 19/02/2020 11:07

Librarians are under the same orders as everyone else.

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LaneBoy · 19/02/2020 11:15

I’m glad I don’t work in the library anymore, I worked in a big town one until health got in the way.

I’ve noticed they mostly wear the rainbow lanyards similar to NHS now (they are county council) and it made me wonder what training they’ve had about gender etc since I’ve left.

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Mossyrock · 19/02/2020 12:25

Until seeing the film it hadn't even occurred to me that older children might google the DQ storytellers and bring up their Instagram profiles and videos of performances.

Most of the participating DQ probably just don't know much about kids and believe that they are promoting LBGT tolerance. The inappropriateness is possibly not immediately obvious to them. I mean, the teaching kids to twerk video was mind blowingly inappropriate. But the library literally booked a drag queen. What did they expect?