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York theatre royal toilets

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pigsknickers · 02/01/2020 19:57

I visited today and was irritated to find that one of the two women's toilets is now unisex (and yes the men still have two to themselves). Here's the text of the email I've written them; I'm planning to c&p it to any venues I come across who've pulled this stunt from now on. Awaiting waffle bollocks response.

"I visited the theatre today with my mum and two small children, and I want to tell you how appalled we were to find you've designated one of the two female toilet facilities as unisex, while the men still have two single sex facilities. There are so many reasons why we found this to be a misjudged move on your part:

  1. Women need more, not fewer public toilets than men. We are often looking after small children or elderly female relatives in the toilets. We need more time and space to deal with menstruation (which we really don't want to do in a shared space with men). Many venues suffer from long queues to use the ladies' as it is. When I visited today, the toilets in question were full of women trying to toilet their children, with men adding to the overcrowding (while there was a men-only facility just next door). Yes, I could have used the women-only toilets upstairs, but with two small children in tow I had neither the time nor the energy to drag them up two flights of stairs.
  2. Men's toilets are dirty. Men tell us this all the time; many men take steps to ensure they won't have to use a cubicle while they're out, because men urinate on the seats and floor. This gets worse in venues where alcohol is served.
  3. Women need privacy away from men when performing intimate functions. I sometimes have very heavy periods, and do not want to wash blood off my hands while standing next to a man. I don't want a man to overhear me explain to my three year old what a sanitary towel is.
  4. Women in states of vulnerability are not safe in shared sex spaces. Your cubicles are not even floor-to-ceiling; you are making it easier for predatory males to intimidate, harass and attack women and girls.
  5. Women have fought long and hard for single-sex provision so that they have equal access to public life. Both the WHO and UNICEF emphasise the importance of single-sex toilets in protecting girls in developing countries from rape, and allowing them to participate in public life. Without adequate toilet provision, women and girls in this country too would have their safety and dignity compromised whenever they leave the house. I would be very interested to know what Equality Impact and Risk Assessments were carried out before this change was implemented.
  6. It is just not acceptable that men now have access to 2.5 of 4 toilet facilities, while women - who I presume make up at least 50% of your clientele (I would guess more based on today's audience) - only have access to 1.5 of them. I anticipate an explanation that this change was made to make better provision for transgender people, and while this may be a laudable aim, I invite you to consider why it was deemed appropriate to remove a significant proportion of your female customers' toilet provision. This sends a very clear message that you value your female customers less than any other demographic, and for this reason I will not be visiting the Theatre Royal in the foreseeable future."
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boatyardblues · 02/01/2020 20:00

Good email but I’d add a note about camera phones under/over partitions and hidden cameras being placed which mean women’s and children’s risk of being subjected to voyeurism is greatly increased by making these toilets mixed sex.

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ScrimshawTheSecond · 02/01/2020 20:00

Excellent letter. Good luck, it's a rather grim illustration of how women are being pushed out of public life when they do this. I actually am still struggling to believe that it's seen as fine by anybody.

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OhHolyJesus · 02/01/2020 20:03

Excellent email OP, let us know what happens.

Like M&S and other retailers and venues who have at least half of their customers as female, I do wonder what would happen if we just stopped spending our money with places who do this. My boycott list just gets longer...

Based on the estimated trans population (with or without GRC) the numbers wouldn't make up the shortfall so surely where business are losing touch with audiences or customers their profits will suffer and eventually they will lament these decisions.

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EL2019 · 02/01/2020 20:04

Great letter! Will be interested in response. Placing £10 on “Why can’t you just be nice?”

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FreckledNose · 02/01/2020 20:11

I had the grim experience of using one of the Theatre Royal’s unisex toilets recently. The cubicle was so tiny, it was almost impossible to get in and out, and the open urinal was at right angles to it. Women were queuing to use the cubicle while a man peed in full-view. To be fair most men took one look and went to find more private facilities. I did a quick straw poll while queuing and (with the exception of the one male pee-er) everyone thought the arrangement was horrible/embarrassing and unnecessary. I wish I’d complained to staff at the time rather than just grumbling to my friends. I support you email. Please post if you get a response.

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AllYouGoodGoodPeople · 02/01/2020 20:13

Caroline Criado-Perez has sample questions about toilet provision and assessments somewhere on Twitter, that's she's used to ask facilities about their, er, facilities.

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pigsknickers · 02/01/2020 20:15

I'll post any response I get - I fully expect it to be a load of condescending bollocks which won't actually address any of my points, but hey ho.

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SidJS · 02/01/2020 20:18

Also- For full equality advice is a 2:1 female : male toilet ratio. (Takes into account increased space required, length of time taken and increased frequency of need due to female biology).

You could ask them to refer to the British Toilet Association who campaigns about proper provision or for you to cc them into the email too.

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littlecabbage · 02/01/2020 20:18

I think that is a really clear email OP. I too would be interested to hear what response you get. One of my NY resolutions is to speak out against sexism whenever I see it, whether that is writing to companies or calling out people in everyday conversation. The more of us that do it, the better.

(I just wrote to the National Trust today, to complain that the joint membership purchased for myself and my husband, was only addressed to him).

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pigsknickers · 02/01/2020 20:28

Thanks for that , I'm going to look the British Toilet Association up now.

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Procrastinator2 · 02/01/2020 20:29

Caroline Criado-Perez was highlighting the lack of women's toilet provision. Perhaps telling her might focus some more attention on the York Theatre Royal's decision. She's on twitter.

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pigsknickers · 02/01/2020 20:33

Is the Theatre Royal council-run? (I don't actually live in York). If so I should probably send it somewhere at the council too.
YY to challenging sexism more in 2020. In fact I think I'm going to make challenging bullshit, with an emphasis on sexist bullshit, my mission for this year.

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ethelredonagoodday · 02/01/2020 20:40

I think it's separate from the council OP??

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loveyouradvice · 02/01/2020 20:43

CONGRATULATIONS on writing - absolutely !

My recommendations:

  • Find out the director or CEO name and send to them, copying in to the Chair of Trustees

= Ask them to review and reassign 2 toilets to women, 1 to unisex and 1 to men - and if they believe this is inappropriate, to tell you precisely why
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Barbthebuilder · 02/01/2020 21:08

Oh balls we are going on our annual trip on Saturday. I will forewarn the elderly aunts. It is as well for them DM can't make it this year, she won't hold back. Will check it out for myself so I can also email.

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pigsknickers · 02/01/2020 21:17

Barb it's the big toilets downstairs next to the theatre entrance. There's still a single-sex one upstairs by the entrance to the circle.

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Barbthebuilder · 02/01/2020 22:02

Thanks, will make sure the aunts go upstairs. DH also appalled, he doesn't want a hoarde of women watching him wee! I can't believe they've spent a fortune only a few years ago to improve facilities, only to reduce them again!

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littlbrowndog · 02/01/2020 22:52

Great letter pig 💪💪

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Binterested · 02/01/2020 23:19

We just went to the Bridge Theatre in London. One marked male plus the all genders sign. One marked female plus the all genders sign. In other words anyone can go anywhere although clearly no woman or female child will go where there are urinals. And what decent man in their right mind would use the ladies - regardless of the all gender sign? Decent people just don’t.

Why this wholesale capitulation? It’s such utter bullshit.

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HunnyMummy1993 · 03/01/2020 12:01

I think we need an army of crunchy mums to go and performance parent in the men’s. With pushchairs and enormously bags.

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EwwSprouts · 03/01/2020 12:35

That is bonkers. It's just been panto season. Lovely for the children to have men peeing as queue entertainment.

York Theatre Royal is owed by York Conservation Trust [email protected]

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pigsknickers · 03/01/2020 13:22

I haven't had a response yet, but if/when I do, and if it's the fob-off bollocks I'm expecting, I'll reply again with your suggestions and contacts. Thanks all.

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lydiamajora · 04/01/2020 08:25

Placemarking - interested to see what, if any, response you receive.

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SophoclesTheFox · 04/01/2020 08:40

Good letter, pigsknickers 👍

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AutumnRose1 · 09/01/2020 22:05

Any response yet?

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