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Spanish Big Brother films contestant being raped then makes her watch it

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Clymene Mon 02-Dec-19 23:20:21

Sorry that is such a horrendous click bait title. But it's what they did. They watched her being raped while she was passed out drunk, then played the tape back to her in the diary room

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/spanish-big-brother-made-contestant-181044088.html

I hope she sues Endemol

ARoombaOfOnesOwn Mon 02-Dec-19 23:22:42

Just horrific. Short thread here - www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3757733-Spanish-Big-Brother

theflushedzebra Mon 02-Dec-19 23:22:52

Oh my god!

Gingerkittykat Mon 02-Dec-19 23:25:02

This is horrific.

The production team stepped in after she had been being raped for several minutes, why the hell did they not stop the man as soon as he got into bed with a barely conscious woman.

BadgertheBodger Mon 02-Dec-19 23:51:18

That is utterly horrific. How could you do that to anyone? Yet more proof that many men don’t see women as fully human sad

DramaAlpaca Mon 02-Dec-19 23:52:39

Dear God, that's awful. Just horrific. That poor woman.

TheProdigalKittensReturn Mon 02-Dec-19 23:54:50

I hope she takes them for every penny they have, the exploitative misogynistic bastards.

Goosefoot Tue 03-Dec-19 00:01:21

I hope she takes them for every penny they have

In terms of using the footage, I wonder if she'd be able to. Reality shows seem to have really iron-clad and IMO horrible contracts about what they film and how they can use it. A lot of people seem to sign them without realising all the implications.

7Days Tue 03-Dec-19 00:02:28

That's fucking shocking.

Amiable Tue 03-Dec-19 00:24:03

Fucking hell. I hope she sues, and he is jailed

Tartyflette Tue 03-Dec-19 00:25:06

They kept on filming because they thought 'oh, wow, this is great telly! A first for BB'. Utterly sickening.
The poor woman was clearly unimportant and didn't feature in their thinking at all. They were too stupid and too caught up what they fondly imagine is their own importance and that of this fifth-rate, barrel-scraping, past-it programme.
I wonder if they could be prosecuted for aiding and abetting. At the very least they do not deserve to keep their jobs, or work in TV ever again.

Gibbonsgibbonsgibbons Tue 03-Dec-19 00:33:27

Utterly despicable angrysad

stumbledin Tue 03-Dec-19 00:41:08

You would like to think who ever regulates tv in Spain would immediately take this show off the air. They have aided a crime and then inflicted cruelty on the woman. And distributed pornography.

But then Spanish courts dont seem to recognise rape, or when they do dont seem to think its a crime.

Just disgusting. The morality of people in tv seems to have no depths to which they wont go.

Am hoping that some international campaign starts.

No women should agree to take part.

CabbagePatchKids Tue 03-Dec-19 01:25:48

Absolutely shocking. That poor woman.
Am I right that I read he went back into the BB house 5 days later?!

WeDieAndSeeBeautyReign Tue 03-Dec-19 03:38:52

Am I right that I read he went back into the BB house 5 days later?

No it was the female contestant ,Carlota Prado, who left and returned.

OvaHere Tue 03-Dec-19 08:37:36

This is horrendous. They should be prosecuted and taken off the air.

Fandoozle1 Tue 03-Dec-19 08:47:35

That’s horrifying. Beyond cruel and sinister! I really hope that this lady gets justice and also sues the tv company!

Clymene Tue 03-Dec-19 08:56:21

Sorry didn't see the other thread blush

Maybe the advertisers pulling out will make Endemol realise they've crossed a line because clearly there were a lot of people involved who were only thinking 'wow great telly'

artisanparsnips Tue 03-Dec-19 09:27:55

I suspect that any contract she had would be invalidated by illegal behaviour and the assault on her human rights. At least I hope that was the case.

artisanparsnips Tue 03-Dec-19 09:29:09

Also, it's not made by Endemol in Spain, they just own the format.

powershowerforanhour Tue 03-Dec-19 11:40:46

What the fuck
What the fuck
What the fuck
That poor woman.

Goosefoot Tue 03-Dec-19 12:21:24

I suspect that any contract she had would be invalidated by illegal behaviour and the assault on her human rights. At least I hope that was the case.

Would they have to show first that the company was in fact at fault in some way? That seems like it could be touchy even in a place with a fairly good system. I've not watched any footage and I'd rather not, how clear would it have been to the guys watching over the video what was going on?

Qcng Tue 03-Dec-19 13:58:16

Omg! Is that man going through be served a prison sentence?

Mind you, it's Spain...

Clymene Tue 03-Dec-19 14:21:39

Have you read the article @Goosefoot? They knew he was raping her. They told him to stop. But not immediately

MockersFactCheckMN Tue 03-Dec-19 14:24:32

Bienvenido a España, where as a recent court case confirmed, the events described above are not rape when no force or threat of force is used.

Goosefoot Tue 03-Dec-19 14:32:37

Have you read the article @Goosefoot? They knew he was raping her. They told him to stop. But not immediately

The article doesn't say that. It says the sex went on for several minutes before they said anything. It did not say how soon they realised what was going on, which was my question. And I'd guess if it was in a court it might become an important point.

BarbaraStrozzi Tue 03-Dec-19 14:34:01

It is horrific.

I know under UK law there's a limit to what you can contractually sign away - I don't think, for eg, if employers pressed you into signing a contract which committed you to perform behaviours that turned out to be criminal, that such a contract could be enforced.

I don't know whether Spanish law, or indeed EU law would be similar. Though as PP have noted, there is a problem in that under Spanish law, having sex with an unconscious woman who has not given consent doesn't count as rape. angry

I hope there's some way of her getting some form of redress. Any Spanish mumsnetters know how this is being reported (or not) in Spain?

SkaraBrae Tue 03-Dec-19 14:59:19

No coercion or threat so I guess under Spanish law it's not even rape?

Trewser Tue 03-Dec-19 15:01:08

How wonderful other European countries are.

StealthPolarBear Tue 03-Dec-19 15:03:50

I am shocked.
So, just to be clear on the law, any man who has access to a sleeping or unconscious woman can have sex with her with no consequences??

Alrighteo Tue 03-Dec-19 15:11:51

So if a man drugs a woman then rapes her, he can only be convicted for drugging her, not of the rape?
Oh well. I know it's a predominately Catholic country, so that might be an element. Husband/wives. Old school.

MrsTerryPratchett Tue 03-Dec-19 15:13:06

@Trewser you aren't using a woman's rape to make a point about the EU are you? Because that would make you pretty repulsive. So I'll assume that's not what you're doing.

Trewser Tue 03-Dec-19 15:16:00

I am pointing out that some European countries have pretty archaic laws when it comes to women.

Alrighteo Tue 03-Dec-19 15:16:13

No coercion - surely being present while someone gets unconscious with drink is sufficient to be coercion?

Trewser Tue 03-Dec-19 15:17:06

It is absolutely not repulsive to be relieved that this would be a crime in the UK.

Clymene Tue 03-Dec-19 15:20:17

Well I think they were aware that she was comatose, yes. You don't have Big Brother there do you? There are cameras everywhere. They were watching and they knew she was unconscious. That is made perfectly clear in the article.

Although as Barbara has pointed out, raping an unconscious woman doesn't appear to be against the law in Spain sad

Clymene Tue 03-Dec-19 15:21:46

Spanish anger as five men acquitted of gang-raping teenager https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-50257922

(Warning : graphic description of sexual violence)

MrsTerryPratchett Tue 03-Dec-19 15:29:07

I think the woman who was dragged through the Courts by Ched Evans would disagree @Trewser

I ask again, were you making a point about the EU?

Autumntoowet Tue 03-Dec-19 15:31:45

I can’t.
I watched the footage of her being shown the video. She is asking for them to stop it and then asking for them to stop the audio. She then asks for something to take as her heart is racing. She asks for the, to open the door and let her out and the bloody man on speaker says that for hers and his own good this mustn’t leave the room. Still not opening the door she keeps asking and he is “not yet, you have to wait” as she keeps asking to please get the door open.
FML

www.elconfidencial.com/multimedia/video/television/programas-tv/2019-11-19/video-carlota-prado-gh-jose-maria-revolution-abuso-sexual-gran-hermano_2341648/

MrsTerryPratchett Tue 03-Dec-19 15:33:19

She is asking for them to stop it and then asking for them to stop the audio.

How much more could they try to traumatise her?

Autumntoowet Tue 03-Dec-19 15:36:14

The way the audio man “super” talks is absolutely disgusting.
Classic way of male figure loving the control and authority enjoying a woman’s suffering.
Horrible.

Autumntoowet Tue 03-Dec-19 15:38:39

Also, Telecinco is an absolutely disgusting channel. I was young when they started and it was constant shows of women being sexualised and all sorts.
Such a toxic culture. Disgusting stuff to be growing up with. I am not surprised.

Clymene Tue 03-Dec-19 15:39:51

I don't think I can bring myself to watch that Autumn. Just the description makes me feel sick

Autumntoowet Tue 03-Dec-19 15:43:56

@Clymene best not to I only posted it as evidence, pretty much what I said and no need to see the poor woman suffering.

Beveren Tue 03-Dec-19 15:43:56

It appears that even under Spanish law this would be sexual assault. Would the film company be guilty of aiding and abetting?

Autumntoowet Tue 03-Dec-19 15:45:08

Oh! Of course the video doesn’t show the crime, I couldn’t watch that and wouldn’t. It shows her watching it.

And the “Super” talking to her.

RufusthebewiIderedreindeer Tue 03-Dec-19 15:48:00

So I'll assume that's not what you're doing

Well you know what happens when you assume

slipperywhensparticus Tue 03-Dec-19 15:53:31

The judge said she appeared to be concious at the beginning

she has had no help and support for two years and now has a pro rape judge

Trewser Tue 03-Dec-19 16:01:07

I ask again, were you making a point about the EU?

No, but you seem obsessed with me doing so!

TruthOnTrial Tue 03-Dec-19 16:52:34

So it is illegal? Is being tried, and the judge is pro-rape?

The judge is trying to say she hadn't passed out then, which belies here reaction on being shown the video, and they absolutely knew she was clueless, otherwise tuere wouldn't have been any mileage in showing it back to her.

Her reaction was horror, evidence she had not consented and was raped. Its abhorrent how this is still going on apace.

Clymene Tue 03-Dec-19 17:22:10

I'm very confused why people are talking about judges. This hasn't gone to trial and I don't even know if the victim has pressed charges.

I posted the link to the BBC article to show that, under Spanish law, rape of an unconscious woman is not considered rape.

EwwSprouts Tue 03-Dec-19 17:41:58

"Representatives of Zeppelin, the Spanish production company that makes Gran Hermano, reported Mr López to the police and Ms Prado later added her own complaint.

An investigative judge recently concluded that there were grounds to put Mr López on trial for alleged sexual abuse, although his lawyer has said his client denies the charge."

From the bottom of the yahoo article. Hope it does go to trial & he gets shredded by the press.

Goosefoot Tue 03-Dec-19 17:42:20

Well I think they were aware that she was comatose, yes. You don't have Big Brother there do you? There are cameras everywhere. They were watching and they knew she was unconscious. That is made perfectly clear in the article.

I don't know where you read that in the article you posted, it said nothing about that. It was recorded, obviously, but how were those cameras monitored? Was one person responsible for looking at a bunch of screens, did a single screen flip through a bunch of different cameras? In either case it could be that no one was looking at the screen right away.

Clearly they were completely out to lunch showing this women the footage, they ought to have turned it over to the police, at least if she wanted them to, and those shows IMO are a disaster waiting to happen in any ways. But I don't see how, on the basis of that article alone, you can say what the monitoring situation was, and that will make a difference in term of the company's responsibility for the rape itself.

Doobigetta Tue 03-Dec-19 17:48:36

Fucking hell. Stop filming. Send in security guards to remove rapist from house. Call police. Hold rapist on his own until police arrive. Don’t let him back in, whatever action the police take. Give the victim whatever help she needs and let her stay or go as she wishes. It’s not fucking hard, is it.

Fraggling Tue 03-Dec-19 17:57:44

The laws may be written differently, what he did is a crime in Spain but has a different name. Sexual abuse. Not legal.

The differences in legal definitions are a distraction from what he did and the whole aftermath.

As for whether this would get anywhere in UK, even though called rape, who the fuck knows. Most rapists here get away with it.

Trewser Tue 03-Dec-19 17:59:57

As for whether this would get anywhere in UK, even though called rape, who the fuck knows. Most rapists here get away with it

Do you seriously think they would film this on UK big brother then make her watch it? They wouldn't.

Frenchcroissant Tue 03-Dec-19 18:03:28

This happened in 2007. The couple were in a relation ship, there was a party in the house with lots of alcohol and after a few hours she went to bed. He then went to bed too, and admittedly started having sex with her. It took a couple of minutes for the people behind the cameras to realise he was having sex with her, and they did tell him to stop and then removed him from the house. In the morning when she realised he was gone she asked why yo the super and then that's why they showed her the video.

Frenchcroissant Tue 03-Dec-19 18:04:12

Sorry for typos

Trewser Tue 03-Dec-19 18:05:34

It took a couple of minutes for the people behind the cameras to realise he was having sex with her yeah right

Also they didn't have to tell her on camera!

MrsTerryPratchett Tue 03-Dec-19 18:19:50

Do you seriously think they would film this on UK big brother then make her watch it? They wouldn't.

Nope but Ched Evans was filmed and eventually acquitted. Let's not pretend there is justice for victims in the UK.

Alrighteo Tue 03-Dec-19 18:22:54

Did this happen this year or in 2007? If it happened in 2007, what was the outcome?

Clymene Tue 03-Dec-19 18:45:29

No, it happened in 2017.

Goosefoot, like I said, you have no idea how Big Brother works. The cameras are constantly monitored. Because that's how they control the people in the house and edit the footage to make the daily broadcast.

In any event, that's not really the issue. The issue is that they sat her down in a locked room and forced her to watch herself being raped.

Trewser Tue 03-Dec-19 18:51:45

Oh come on the Ched Evans case was awful i agree but not remotely the same confused

Alrighteo Tue 03-Dec-19 18:55:06

Why is it relevant now? Have they charged the guy?

Frenchcroissant Tue 03-Dec-19 19:00:48

She never pressed charges, so I don't think he was

Frenchcroissant Tue 03-Dec-19 19:02:48

Trewser, they slept together every night, were under covers and it was night time, so only night vision cameras on.

Clymene Tue 03-Dec-19 19:04:48

I don't know why it's only just made the British press.

Alrighteo Tue 03-Dec-19 19:07:52

Well do we know what happened? It's 2 years ago....

Fraggling Tue 03-Dec-19 20:22:14

It was in the press at the time.
It has come back as she decided to press charges, after initially not, from what I have read.
My understanding is that women on UK reality shows have complained of coercion etc.
Thinking this could not happen in UK is naive, and not sure what it has to do with the story.
Idea that UK is super hot on sex crime compared to some (implication) 'backward' European countries is silly when you look at our stats around sex offences.
Also bear in mind the fact that rape is defined in UK (England Wales at least) as penetration with penis is seen by some other countries as very backwards.
Cast first stone and all of that.
What they did to her was horrendous and I'm pleased after she has had some time, charges have been brought.

Fraggling Tue 03-Dec-19 20:23:24

I am sure there were threads on here at the time. It was all over the press. People have short memories, possibly.

Trewser Tue 03-Dec-19 20:29:12

Thinking this could not happen in UK is naive

Give me a break. The way it was shown on tv would never happen here.

Fraggling Tue 03-Dec-19 21:22:31

We can agree to disagree.

TruthOnTrial Tue 03-Dec-19 21:38:30

I'm not so sure.

There are too many that really have no idea where the line is.

It can take a death for some ignorant abusers to realise something might have been wrong.

I'm thinking Jeremy Kyle and Love Island, amongst others.

It seems the clarity only exists in some men and women. Worrying that so many still don't get it.

So they took him out, but left her there, despite them knowing what she'd suffered, instead of getting her out and to her family to begin to realise what had happened to her, with suppprt, and its all on video. Instead they chose to further abuse her.

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