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Dr Stuart Lorimer Gendercare

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vaginafetishist Mon 02-Dec-19 18:51:39

t's fair to say the decision to set up GenderCare, around seven years ago, wasn't an altruistic one. Doctors have mortgages too, and my partner was on the verge of retirement. In the UK, the coalition government showed every sign of squeezing the NHS in what has turned out to be the longest public sector pay freeze for many decades. I was looking for ways to generate more income.

Apparently Dr Stuart Lorimer was at the Detransitioners event in Manchester. There are loads of youtube videos of young women excitedly describing their first appointment in his clinic. This is his explanation of the thinking behind Gendercare.

vaginafetishist Mon 02-Dec-19 18:52:32

I just find it so shocking. That's actually on the Clinic's own website.

StillWeRise Mon 02-Dec-19 19:09:32

well, quelle surprise

vaginafetishist Mon 02-Dec-19 19:12:40

It's amazing that he felt so confident to just put it out there?

NeurotrashWarrior Mon 02-Dec-19 19:17:18

shock

vaginafetishist Mon 02-Dec-19 19:25:37

'Looking for ways to generate more income' is surely not a satisfactory motivation to putting young women on a path of life long medicalisation, sterility, removal of healthy body parts etc.

A lot of the testimonies on YouTube mention how 'validating' he was, saying that a woman's voice doesn't sound particularly feminine etc.

I bet.

vaginafetishist Mon 02-Dec-19 19:26:22

I'm just raging about the whole thing. Why haven't these people been stopped?

vaginafetishist Mon 02-Dec-19 19:27:51

Moaning about his mortgage and pay freezes.

Michelleoftheresistance Mon 02-Dec-19 19:29:59

shock

vaginafetishist Mon 02-Dec-19 19:33:07

He used to be on twitter talking about the '4 H's of the 'testocalypse'- Horny, Hairy, Hungry and Hot.

arethereanyusernamesleftatall Mon 02-Dec-19 20:18:53

I found this account from a young detransitioner very powerful. She goes back to the doctor responsible for her transition to let her know it didn't work out and ask her questions.

Not about Dr Lorimer, but a doctor providing very similar services.

medium.com/*@mariacatt42*/talking-about-talking-to-doctors-49778915ed4

NeurotrashWarrior Mon 02-Dec-19 20:20:44

no words.

Jesus.

arethereanyusernamesleftatall Mon 02-Dec-19 20:25:11

An except from the article linked in my post above. I hope this young woman does find her way to a lawyer some day soon...

Grace: I told her the gist of it: I started my physical transition at age 23, was very depressed, didn’t see any other way forward, got hormones, got surgery — and then I realized I was going nowhere and my fantasy of becoming a happy man was impossible. I told her that I unequivocally regretted my surgery and hormones. I told her that the surgery had brought me pain, regret, and grief. I told her I wished I had known there were other ways to deal with gender dysphoria.

“It sounds like you needed someone to offer you something besides hormones and surgery. And I’m sorry that we didn’t provide that.” A beat. “But I don’t see that as my role.”

Carey: Ooof. It’s not her role to provide something besides hormones and surgery. I would’ve lost my shit. How did you not lose your shit?

Grace: Ha. Well. It was very infuriating. Whose role is it, then? What the hell?

I was there on a mission, though, in Friendly Detransitioner Ambassador mode. So I tried to play it cool so she wouldn’t get defensive. I asked her, who is going to let people know about alternatives, if not doctors or therapists? If that’s something we need to figure out on our own, who does she think is going to be telling us about that? She didn’t really answer that.

As the conversation continued, she became closed off. Her body leaned away from me and she looked very uncomfortable. I think she wasn’t expecting me to be so angry and hurt.

I asked her if she followed WPATH Standards of Care.

“Of course.”

I brought up that in WPATH, they say you should be screened for “anxiety, depression, self-harm, a history of abuse and neglect, compulsivity, substance abuse, sexual concerns, personality disorders, eating disorders, psychotic disorders, and autistic spectrum disorders.” I mentioned that if I had been screened and treated for, for example, eating disorders, depression, and possibly compulsivity, that would have helped me a lot to lessen my gender distress.

She replied ”​the Standards of Care is a guideline that was never meant to be hard and fast.”

When I asked her if she thought there was any way to tell in advance if someone could benefit from transition, she said that there probably wasn’t, and they just had to try it and see. She said she wanted to err on the side of putting up too few “hoops” to jump through than too many. To her, if someone said they were trans, she believed them, and that was all she needed. “And you come to me and tell me you’re not trans, and I believe you now, too,” she added.

On the subject of diagnosing people with gender dysphoria/being trans, she said that she “decided early on that it [Gender Dysphoria] wasn’t a diagnosis she could make. Like I can’t determine whether someone doesn’t identify with the body that they were given.”

That stunned me. I asked her, so, who diagnosed me with gender dysphoria? She admitted that she did, in fact, write me the diagnosis. I have the paperwork.

So that was strange. It seemed really bizarre that she would say verbatim that she couldn’t diagnose gender dysphoria but that she did it anyway. I wondered to myself: what would a lawyer think of this? I mean, I certainly misdiagnosed myself as someone who would benefit from transition. I won’t deny that. But she’s the doctor. Are patients expected to be able to diagnose themselves accurately for, say, schizophrenia or breast cancer, and receive treatment with no questions asked?

arethereanyusernamesleftatall Mon 02-Dec-19 20:31:44

This bit also stuck with me:

When I got out of the office, I kept repeating, oh my god, oh my god. I was just a lab rat. She never knew what she was doing at all. I felt a little vindicated on one hand — I wasn’t the only one acting irrationally. I realized my doctor had been acting very unprofessionally.

I saw that in retrospect, all of my professionals had done nothing to offer me any other options. I had a strange sense of understanding for my former self. At the time, I thought gender dysphoria was only treatable by hormones and surgery. It had felt like I had no options. Absolutely all of the information available to me from professionals told me that story.

A larger sense of dread enveloped me when I thought more about it. I felt so stupid for falling for a charletan like her, but I also felt outraged. She was supposed to be a doctor. She’s the one who went to med school. She was supposed to be prescribing medicine. And she had admitted that she had no way of diagnosing gender dysphoria. It felt so wrong.

How many other people would suffer like I had? I knew she was treating minors and prescribing puberty blockers.

When I told her there would be more people like me, she had said “Of course.” Of course? Of course? Well, what’s the plan for people like me? It seemed like she took no responsibility for her part in the system.

arethereanyusernamesleftatall Mon 02-Dec-19 20:32:49

The law suits can't start a moment too soon.

TinselAngel Mon 02-Dec-19 20:36:51

I would happily contribute to a crowdfunder for a lawsuit.

I did wonder what the Doctor was thinking as he sat there on Saturday, scribbling furiously in a notebook while everybody else was moved by those young girls' tragic stories.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine Mon 02-Dec-19 20:42:46

The law suits can't start a moment too soon.

Yup. That's one of the few things that will actually help stop this.

dayoftheclownfish Mon 02-Dec-19 20:44:45

Here is the link to Lorimer's website:

gendercare.co.uk/history-of-gendercare.shtml

When read in context, it sounds less crass. But it's a healthy reminder that medical professionals are not selfless creatures. That's why strict regulation is so, so important in medicine. Activists can't be calling the shots.

It's undeniable, though, that Lorimer was looking for a 'gap-in-the-market' and knew that some of his colleagues would see him as a 'mindless hormone-dispenser'.

I wonder if he will take this down now?

ItsAllGoingToBeFine Mon 02-Dec-19 20:54:17

Just saw this linked on Twitter

www.marketwatch.com/press-release/Sex-Reassignment-Surgery-Market-2018-In-Depth-Analysis-of-Industry-Share-Size-Growth-Outlook-up-to-2024-2019-01-26

Sex Reassignment Surgery Market will exceed USD 968 million by 2024; as per a new research report. Increase in number of gender reassignment surgical procedures across the world will drive the growth of sex reassignment surgery market. There has been an increase in the patients wanting to change their sex from male to female or vice versa, increasing nearly fourfold in the last decade.

A concerning number of transgender patients that have undergone gender reassignment surgeries have expressed regrets, suicidal thoughts and depression. Increase in number of sex change regret incidence will affect the growth of sex reassignment market as it will lead to decline in the number of people opting for surgical procedures

littlbrowndog Mon 02-Dec-19 20:57:33

How terrible

Making money from people’s distress.

Just awful

littlbrowndog Mon 02-Dec-19 21:02:29

God how awful

He saw the chance to make money.

Themyscira Mon 02-Dec-19 21:10:36

Remember how we have an MP who can see people's souls?

I wonder what she sees in these people. Probably nothing

SonicVersusGynaephobia Mon 02-Dec-19 21:15:34

Is Stuart Lorimer a gay man (or male sexed person, I don't know how he identifies)?

vaginafetishist Mon 02-Dec-19 21:23:24

I read the whole thing and really didn't think it sounded less crass in context. There's no context to me that could justify saying that.

vaginafetishist Mon 02-Dec-19 21:24:08

I think he's a gay man, not sure though.

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