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I hope you never have children- Labour and self id

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woollysocksaresexy Sat 30-Nov-19 15:39:16

Labour have just knocked on my door campaigning. After listening to their much rehearsed answers on Brexit (I am very pro remain) I asked them about their policy on self ID. She didn't know what self ID was. Then, when I explained it further, she said "I hope you never have children" and walked off. I am extremely upset. I am about as far from a judgy rightwinger as its possible to get. I just happen to have concerns about women's rights as well as trans rights. Why cant I ask a campaigner about this without being insulted? I am just terribly upset that she appears to be judging me like this. For what it's worth, I have a brilliant woman labour MP, who I voted for last time. This time? Not after this.

Lumene Sat 30-Nov-19 18:18:28


Pretty shite canvassing skills there.

Saz432 Sat 30-Nov-19 18:19:39

Don’t vote for her. It’s that simple.

She wouldn’t be voting for the canvasser though would she?

OP states that she has an excellent female Labour MP, but she won’t vote for her because a canvasser was an arsehole. That’s the very definition of cutting your nose off to spite your face - good MPs are few and far between.

OhHolyJesus Sat 30-Nov-19 18:25:51

Absolutely appalling OP, complain. It's incredibly personal and completely out of order. If she is not equipped to deal with difficult questions she should not be canvassing.

(I realise local party volunteers have no training and do it on their own time and £ but it's way out of line.)

The Labour candidate should be informed.

BarbaraStrozzi Sat 30-Nov-19 18:28:18

Except that realistically you are voting for a party - who presumably would be your choice to form a government - as well as your MO. Last time round I did vote for my Labour MP - one of the few remaining moderates, and an excellent constituency MP. This time, no way. Because women like this canvasser have more than a whiff of Mai's red guards about them, and there's no way I'm letting a party who tolerates, nay positively encourages, them anywhere near power.

packingsoapandwater Sat 30-Nov-19 18:28:20

There are specific guidelines covering behaviour while canvassing. I think your canvasser may have broken electoral law.

stealthsquirrelnutkin Sat 30-Nov-19 18:32:07

I wonder whether Labour have lost a lot of their most experienced canvassers, because they seem to have replaced them with a load of people who have no idea what the role entails.

I wouldn't be at all surprised. A lot of us resigned our membership after being forced to accept that our Party really was willing to sacrifice women's hard won sex based rights, and child safeguarding in favour of an aggressive man's sexual right's movement. I expect a lot of those women will be sorely missed now, when there is real work needing to be done.

Remember Madigan's gloating post concerning the booze-up Madigan intended holding, in celebration of having driven hundreds of loyal Labour women out of the party they'd supported for decades?

What's the betting that our replacements, the new, improved kind of women, and their fans, just aren't as hard working, as patient, or as competent as the old fashioned, cunty type of woman that they hounded out with such vicious glee?

Perhaps stuffing envelopes, and walking round in the rain having doors slammed in your face isn't very nice? Perhaps it's the kind of dreary thankless task (like scrubbing the bog) that is naturally more suited to the temperaments of dull, cunty women?

Perhaps, after haemorrhaging all those adult human females, the CLP was forced to make do with any rude, ignorant prat willing to volunteer on the day?

SurvivingCBeebies Sat 30-Nov-19 18:36:26

I hope that those happy to throw away single sex spaces don't have children... as they bloody well obviously don't know how to safeguard them..!!

morningtoncrescent62 Sat 30-Nov-19 18:37:37

I agree with others saying you should inform the candidate and your local constituency Labour party. Quite a lot of canvassers in my CLP are students who've never campaigned before - we do our best to show them the ropes, and pair them up with experienced people the first few times, and whoever's in charge of the group tries to keep an eye and ear out for anything untoward, but it's very difficult to do any real quality control. Bottom line, canvassers are supposed to be courteous at all times, no matter what is thrown at them (even if something's thrown at them!). If a canvasser is rude you should definitely complain. Last week someone put an angry comment on a local forum about a canvasser from my local CLP - the comment from the canvasser wasn't anywhere near as rude as the one in the OP, but the candidate was round there herself the next day to explain and apologise. As you have a good ex-MP-now-candidate, I'm sure she'd want the opportunity to try to put things right.

I've been out canvassing a lot these past few weeks. I'm dying for someone to ask me about women's rights on the doorstep, but it hasn't happened yet. We have to say what issues people want to talk about and they get collated. Tempted to lie. grin

PeterRouseTheFleshofMankind Sat 30-Nov-19 18:39:56

Labour need to get a grip on this utter shite, and quickly.

They have abandoned so many of their core voters in favour of these people. Why?!

theflushedzebra Sat 30-Nov-19 18:42:25

I could weep for what's happened to the Labour Party. And the libdems.

Actually insulting and abusing the electorate seems to be considered ok now. Telling women not to vote for them. I never would have believed it.

Floisme Sat 30-Nov-19 18:48:49

Back in my day, the main purpose of canvassing was to identify where your support lived and, having done so, to move on quickly.
Trying to keep you on the doorstep by initiating a long conversation was an old opposition tactic. We were instructed not to engage and instead to suggest that the candidate would get in touch with them personally to discuss the issue.
As for being abusive - your feet wouldn't have touched the floor.

PinkyU Sat 30-Nov-19 18:50:49

I suppose it really depends on what you said.

“Self id is where a Male or female can decide apropos of nothing which gender they align with. This poses a small but dangerous risk as sexual predators may use this to access vulnerable people”.


“Men pretending to be women”, “trans people = danger”, “TWANW”.

The first opens up to interesting and informative conversation. The second makes you look like a right wing bigoted lunatic, which a lot of people don’t have tolerance for.

No, you don’t have to be nice and kind but understand that your views are radical and not widely held so introducing a novice to them gradually usually illicits a more favourable response.

Michelleoftheresistance Sat 30-Nov-19 18:54:33

Believing in biology and that people can't change sex and that women need single sex spaces really isn't radical! confused

Your comment suggests it's perfectly appropriate for someone to say something that rude and extreme in a public facing job if their political view is unacceptable enough to you.

It isn't.

CaptainKirksSpikeyGhost Sat 30-Nov-19 18:56:28

understand that your views are radical and not widely held

That's not true is it.

Michelleoftheresistance Sat 30-Nov-19 19:00:47

Well thank you for your time
I think we'll have to agree to disagree
Well that's certainly a point of view
I must get going, lots of people to see
I'll be sure to pass your views on

All examples of how grown ups deal with people they don't agree with when they're working or volunteering in a public facing role.

PinkyU Sat 30-Nov-19 19:01:31

As I said it would entirely depend on how the op phrased her stance, they’ve not said so therefore can’t really comment on wether the canvassers statement was disproportionately rude and/or extreme.

I’ve seen some pretty horrendous views shared on here that has had me thinking “I really hope they don’t say xxx in front of their dc”.

Also I think that it is radical for women to gather in numbers to voice concerns on matters such as this, TW have been around since humanity began and woman have never responded like this. I’m not saying that that is a bad thing, but I think it certainly ticks the box for being radical, in the truest sense of the word.

PinkyU Sat 30-Nov-19 19:02:41

I think it depends on what chamber you reside in Captainkirk.

PeterRouseTheFleshofMankind Sat 30-Nov-19 19:04:42

“Men pretending to be women”, “trans people = danger”, “TWANW”.

What, you think that someone saying 'transwomen are not women' warrants being told that they shouldn't have children, by someone who is trying to persuade them to vote for their party? 😂

It's not just the trans issue either. The left have become so tribal, if you don't completely agree with absolutely everything that fucking Momentum declare as gospel, then you can sod off. Fuck them.

CaptainKirksSpikeyGhost Sat 30-Nov-19 19:05:00

I think it depends on what chamber you reside in Captainkirk.

You mean the 90% of the people who are against self I'd vs the 10%?

theflushedzebra Sat 30-Nov-19 19:06:09

The second makes you look like a right wing bigoted lunatic, which a lot of people don’t have tolerance for.

Sorry, but you included "transwomen are not women" in the "right wing bigot" pile. I think you made a mistake - it is neither right wing, nor bigoted, to be sure that transwomen are not actually women. They are transwomen - no human can change their biological sex. Women are assigned observed female at birth.

PeterRouseTheFleshofMankind Sat 30-Nov-19 19:06:41

Also I think that it is radical for women to gather in numbers to voice concerns on matters such as this, TW have been around since humanity began and woman have never responded like this

Why do you think that is? Why do you think that women, many of whom are traditionally left leaning and Liberal, are coming together to defend their rights?

koshkat Sat 30-Nov-19 19:08:15

Pinky you need to get out there and canvas for the LP by the sounds of it.

The second makes you look like a right wing bigoted lunatic, which a lot of people don’t have tolerance for

It is NOT a 'radical belief' to know that only men have penises now is it? It is a fucking fact.

Michelleoftheresistance Sat 30-Nov-19 19:08:34

I'd think that was disproportionately rude and extreme even if the person who answered the door had raised two fingers and shouted an obscenity.

Which, if you're going to work as a canvasser, or teacher, or nurse, or copper, or pretty much any other job involving Joe Public, you're going to encounter sooner or later. If you're there to do a job and represent an organisation, you don't splurge your personal political views. Basic standards of appropriate behaviour.

NOT excusable because you (and clearly the canvasser) think is a taboo subject.

PinkyU Sat 30-Nov-19 19:08:38

See that’s the issue with polls, they only tell you the view of the people who respond, the people who respond are generally those with strong views either way.

Not necessarily an accurate reflection of society as a whole.

I could present a poll showing exactly the opposite solely because of the type of people I may ask.

Floisme Sat 30-Nov-19 19:09:29

Please tell me you don't work with the public.

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