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RollOnFriday - law firm writes report called "Only adults? Good practices in legal gender recognition for youth"

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somebrightmorning Fri 29-Nov-19 19:04:14

RollOnFriday is a satirical online magazine for solicitors.

Dentons is a very very large law firm (but I'm not impressed because I remember them when they were merely Denton Hall....)

I commend this article from RollOnFriday to you:

www.rollonfriday.com/news-content/dentons-campaigns-kids-switch-gender-without-parental-approval

and I see RollOnFriday also reported this:

www.rollonfriday.com/news-content/lesbian-barrister-investigated-setting-lgb-group

You will like this extract:
"Critics of gender self-ID have warned that it will adversely impact women and children in many areas, including rape crisis centres, single-sex hospital wards, women’s sport and identification of discrimination. Dentons' 65-page report characterises their position in two sentences, as concerns which "normally come from women’s groups" about "female prisoners and female public toilets".

Dentons' report also describes critics of gender self-ID as 'TERFs', which began as an acronym for "trans-exclusionary radical feminists" and is understood by many of its targets as a misogynist slur.

When it was asked to comment on aspects of its report, Dentons initially offered up Atanas Politov, its Director for Pro Bono, for an interview. Then it asked for written questions in advance. When these were provided, the world's largest firm by headcount was unable to find anyone prepared to answer them, and gave a general statement instead."

My own position is that hormonal or surgical intervention on a 12 year old is prima facie child abuse and so I'm very surprised that Dentons published such a report.

somebrightmorning Tue 03-Dec-19 23:13:05

I am pretty sure that the Dentons authors were not high-up in Dentons (you can be a partner without much real clout).

I suspect that there was a meeting where someone who matters was asked to approve a document about "LGBT" rights and said "sure".

Thinking it wouldn't be controversial......

ItsAllGoingToBeFine Tue 03-Dec-19 23:51:11

I've seen this in a many different types of campaigns. Rather than try and make the social case for something, the idea is to somehow present it as a rights violation

This will be deleted but it's exactly what PIE did isn't it... Presented paedophilia as a child's right to sexual freedom or something.

Oncewasblueandyellowtwo Wed 04-Dec-19 00:11:04

ItsAllGoingToBeFine
Not the only similarity either. In the thread I linked earlier I had the same idea as you about P. I. E.

Get rid of parental consent.
A child knows what's in their best interests.
Amnesty Ireland are campaigning for this for gender recognition for teenagers and even younger children.

Oncewasblueandyellowtwo Wed 04-Dec-19 00:19:42

23:51ItsAllGoingToBeFine
I hope you don't get deleted. Women here were right that there was something happing in stealth, this report proves that. Women have been silenced,reported, banned, but women here were right. It's really not a stretch to think what could happen next and why this is all happening.

OccasionalKite Wed 04-Dec-19 00:32:31

Yes. As PP have said, it all comes down to the old "let's keep this a secret" and "who benefits when children's safeguarding is trashed?"

Those people who are keen to breach the safeguarding of children - what do they want, eh?

theflushedzebra Wed 04-Dec-19 00:35:03

Itsallgoingtobefine - and PIE hooked onto the gays rights movement - with memorable consequences that led to several politicians having to publicly apologise, really quite recently.

theflushedzebra Wed 04-Dec-19 00:38:46

For those who haven't seen this quite excellent video before.

Unfortunately the man making the excellent points about queer theory is a horrific transphobe hmm so his words have to compete with TRA shouting over him.

Well worth a watch.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=2u3hmZCsXoE

nauticant Wed 04-Dec-19 08:33:13

Speaking of "certain personality disorders were leading to LAs and agencies being massively and disproportionately tied up by a few service users" Michelleoftheresistance, did you hear this on the news?

www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-50651355

Michelleoftheresistance Wed 04-Dec-19 11:05:30

Interesting Nauticant thanks!

TimeLady Thu 05-Dec-19 07:55:21

I mentioned upthread that I had complained to the all party Women's & Equality Committee in Parliament that they had 'gender identity' as a protected characteristic instead of 'gender reassignment' on their website.

This is the response: Parliament in now dissolved ahead of the General Election on 12 December and as a result the Committee does not currently exist and no changes can be made to the website. At the moment we expect Committees to be re-established shortly after the election and I would invite you to write again once the new Committee has been established if you would like them to consider this issue.

'Consider' the issue? This is the body responsible for holding the Government department for Women & Equalities to account and they will 'consider' whether posting accurate wording about a piece of existing legislation on their webpage is a cause for concern.

I don't doubt for a minute the use of 'gender identity' was deliberate. That's no typo. Whether it was insisted on by the previous MPs on the committee or it was done by civil servants on their own volition is the next question to be asked.

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